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Sue Wilson

Posted: July 12, 2010 03:24 PM

Immigration Reform: A Victim of Misinformation?

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A diverse group of conservative, mainly Republican religious leaders are touring the country in support of comprehensive immigration reform. Their goal: to target Republicans who can be convinced that immigration reform is a moral imperative.

In a conference call Conservatives for Comprehensive Immigration Reform held Wednesday, moderator Juan Hernandez said their group has been meeting privately on the Hill with Republicans in the House and Senate who said they needed President Obama to pave the way for reform. Now that the President has made his speech on immigration, pressure is ratcheting up on both sides of the aisle.

Congressman Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL) said that a bipartisan working group in the House has developed a bill that calls for increased resources at the border, employer sanctions, and an earned path to a green card. Diaz-Balart says that if the House were to pass the bill, it would provide arguments for the Senate, but says House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) refuses to bring the bill to a floor vote. "The speaker -- who has the ear of the president, needs to allow a vote."

Richard Land, President of the Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said the working group included some "heavy hitters" on both sides of the aisle, but noted that when he met with Pelosi, the Speaker said Democratic House members are not willing to put their seats on the line when a bill would face almost certain defeat in the Senate.

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, says Republicans are divided between their short term objectives for 2010 and their long term objectives for 2012. "The Tea Party may win 2010 , but lose in 2012. A tea party without chips and salsa is no party at all."

Rev. Guillermo Maldonado, Senior Pastor of El Rey Jesus, the largest church in Miami, blames misinformation for the divide, saying that many Republicans falsely believe that Hispanics want open borders and amnesty. "I believe there's no good information to them. This is what most Hispanic leaders are talking about."

 

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03:53 PM on 07/14/2010
Those of us who were around in 1986 already made a Comprehensive Immigration Reform deal - tough enforcement in return for amnesty. Only half of that deal was ever delivered. The Amnesty was given, but those who agreed to tough enforcement turned around and did everything that they could to successfully sabotage ALL tough enforcement.

Now, 24 years later, it is the same old song and dance - tough enforcement in exchange for the amnesty lite called "a pathway to legalization". I am sure that people can understand how those who were burned once refuse to be burned again. That making deals with those who break their promises is making no deal at all.

Remember the trail of broken promises the US Government made to the American Indians? Or does no one learn from history these days? The entire history of agreements between American Indian Nations and the US Government is one of broken agreements just like the broken agreement that was Simpson-Mazzoli.

It is readily apparent that Illegal Immigrant supporters have no trust what-so-ever that tough enforcement today may lead to “a pathway to legalization” tomorrow. Yet they have no qualms about asking everyone to trust the Government just one more time and make another Comprehensive Immigration Reform agreement like the one from 1986 that was never honored. And deporting a small fraction of those who illegally entered the USA after 1986 and then saying “system works” is a joke.
10:27 PM on 07/13/2010
Food stamps, EITC, health care subsidy, housing subsidy, Pell Grants, low interest student loans, Hope scholarships, etc., etc. The list of benefits that will accrue to illegal immigrants if they become legal goes on and on. We were told in 2007 we had to accept almost everybody that was here because the illegals were so adept at fraud that there was no way to document their documents. WE WERE TOLD THIS. So now we are going to turn them lose even more than they are now on our social safety net. This at the same time there is talk of decreasing social security benefits for seniors. I guess the Hispanics really want us to sacrifice what we have paid for to keep the wealthy Mexicans at their current lifestyle. They have dumped their poor on the middle class of this county and all of the illegal advocates want to strip us to give to those who have violated our laws.
01:24 PM on 07/13/2010
Has everyone noticed how these vote pandering politicians and egotistical religious leaders disregard the will of the People. During the last immigration push I belonged to a denomination that stated 85% of the parishioners supported Amnesty when it was actually the other way. They are no longer with us.
12:42 AM on 07/14/2010
What the heck are you talking about Rob? The people are sick and tired of congress not addressing the issue, all the opposite of what you are saying. What do you mean "with us" you mean, you? and why are you making up shi!? is the the miss information you are spreading? I am conservative but people like you just make me sick polarizing the issues.
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CelticMajic
The answer lies in each of us individually
08:28 AM on 07/13/2010
1. Secure the boarder
2. Harsh penalties for those that employ illegal aliens
3. Deport any illegal alien that breaks our laws
4. Citizenship for those here illegally, sure, go back and get in line like everyone else
09:30 AM on 07/13/2010
That sounds like a viable comprehensive immigration plan to me. Now if we could just get the politicians on board...
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
07:11 AM on 07/13/2010
Obama said in his speech that the illegals should go to "the back of the line".

"The back of the line" starts in their native country - they do the paperwork to apply, pay the money and WAIT in line like they are supposed to do - ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF IMMIGRATION!
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dvtaz
Stop whining. Hard work equals success
09:10 AM on 07/13/2010
I agree this is the way it should work but this is the last thing Obama wants to do. He'd lose too many votes.
09:55 PM on 07/12/2010
Comprehensive Immigration Reform is Obama speak for AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS.

He needs the votes now that he has trashed the people that elected him
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Emma2011
08:59 PM on 07/12/2010
If Obama were willing to put as much energy into immigration reform as health care reform, immigration reform could pass in this Congress. However, Obama expects to get the Latino vote for nothing again. Meanwhile, millions of immigrants are suffering after Obama's many raids and mass deportations.
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Romulus
09:24 PM on 07/12/2010
Such a shame that lawbreakers are suffering. What is this world coming to!
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GregHooper
what is this
09:32 PM on 07/12/2010
Who says the Legal Latino vote wants an amnesty any way really all of them That would be a bit presumptous wouldn't you think

Obama needs to put as much effort in closing the borders as he is suing Arizona for trying to do the job the Federal Government is failing to do

The non rights of non citizens are not the issue they are the problem and giving away millions of new citizenships to the undocumented is a non answer

It's legitimitizing the problem 10-15 million people with no way of proving who they are uneducated no English even after decades in this country illiterate in their own language low skilled and poor

Not to mention the criminals looking for a fresh start with a new name from some forged papers Yes thats right papers The ones every country issues their people so they are able to identify themselves

Kinda makes it look like the Marial Boatlift when Castro opened the jails and insane asylums then dumped all of these new citizens in Miami and the Keys

One foot dry one wet then drug wars

Yes we sure have some real winners here

They show nothing but comtempt for American laws and culture and then make demands for rights they have no claim to

If your illegals are suffering so badly maybe they should see the error of their ways and return home

Reunite their families

You know look for a better life

Fixing their problems at home
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Appleblossom
06:22 PM on 07/12/2010
Maybe if we could get people to stop yelling "IT IS AMNESTY" every single time comprehensive reform is mentioned...
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GregHooper
what is this
06:55 PM on 07/12/2010
Oh yes very correct the new spin is Pathway to Citizenship

Must get the talking points correct shouldn't we

How about a new word like Repatriation

As in go home

Whats your plan anyone who shows up gets a pathway along with their family because they need to be together until

We are the World

Before anything is said about any new visas we will first secure the border and enforce the laws

Not waste time suing a state that is overrun with border jumpers

Thats first because without controlling the situation we will create more chaos than we have now and no reform will work

Institutionalized disaster that will wreck us from the core my friend thats what your talking about and thats why we will not allow you to prevail

We are broke and any single education health food or housing dollar spent on an Illegal trespasser is one dollar to many

Any crime committed by an Illegal trespasser is one that shouldn't have happened

Any prisoner in our overcrowded jails is one to many and a danger to society even in lockup

Any job held by an Illegal is one that belongs to an American and that means under the wage and fairness laws Not the games these Illegal contractors and employers play

So yeah the word Amnesty is a big problem
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Appleblossom
07:18 PM on 07/12/2010
Thank you for making my point about the unreasonableness of the people who are talking about this issue.
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HerrMonk
Son of Apollo
07:20 PM on 07/12/2010
Yuppers.
12:57 AM on 07/14/2010
I think it is not the "regular" people who do that. it is -- more like hate groups , like nativitist and fringe groups like hate group FAIR that demonizes illegal immigrants, and have special interest, they work online promoting hate toward immigration reform, they are extremist restrictionist and advocates of rounding up 12 million people, and taking citizenship away from native-born US immigrant children, some of the republican party are actually part of this group so called FAIR, make no mistake about it, some politicians have an agenda against reform that is why the issue is harder than it would normally be. like rep. Brian Bilbray and Sen Jeff Session, rep Brain is on the FAIR members board. I wish they would actually debate and get to a consensus and just say no no no and use fear mongering and demagoging.
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Appleblossom
08:32 PM on 07/14/2010
The thing I do not get is if your only solution is "deport them" without bothering to pay attention to the fact that most humans are not stupid enough to turn themselves in if it means going back to the same situation they just crossed a burning hot desert to get away from.

I have no problem with a person turning their self in, being verified they are illegal, fined a huge amount and then while they are paying the fine off they are given a legal status. Once they fail to pay and keep the court handling it updated with their address, then deport them. Otherwise you will not get them to self surrender-just will not happen. There must be an incentive to doing so.
06:44 PM on 07/15/2010
If you want to discuss fear mongering and demagoging there is enough blame to go around. For every instance cited on one side there is another instance coming from the other. For example - a recent Pew Center Study says 78% of all Illegal Immigrants are Latino. Therefore there is no way possible for ANY enforcement to escape the label of Racial Profiling because this concept is based on the incorrectly simple idea that if statistics show more people of one ethnic group are affected than any other it must be racist. This has been demagogued to death.

Another example is the phrase "reasonable suspicion". The words "reasonable suspicion" actually appears in the United States Federal Code of Regulations 174 times, across all forms of law enforcement. Why is this phrase suddenly a problem now and only in connection with the Arizona Immigration Law enforcement when in fact it has been upheld by the Supreme Court? Yet this phrase has been fear mongered to death.

And then there is the “breaking up families” mantra. In fact, Law Enforcement breaks up families every day while doing their job. Many Robbers, Con Artists, Drunk Drivers, and even Murderers have families. Yet all are routinely jailed thus “breaking up families”. So why is it the only violation of Criminal Law that causes people to decry “breaking up families” is the violation called Illegal Entry into the United States of America?

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
04:36 PM on 07/12/2010
What a concept - leadership not promises or throwing the first rocks that come to hand.
04:12 PM on 07/12/2010
What will the flip flopper mavericky McCain say about this one ?