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What We Teach Our Daughters About Ambition

Posted: 11/10/10 08:46 AM ET

It's a no brainer -- we want our daughters to excel, from grade school through grad school and then out in the real world. We want them to be independent, confident, and self-sufficient. This means that from an early age, we discuss having goals and what ambition means -- what it yields. Some mothers talk to their daughters when they're four years old, others say they start when the girls are 11 or so, and other mothers describe this as an on going conversation, one that lasts well into their daughters' 30s. What is evident is the need to prepare our daughters for the world and encourage them to be productive and able to support themselves in an increasingly tough and complex society.

Many mothers understand the pressure placed upon their daughters throughout junior high and high school to work hard and be well-rounded. The end game here is that these solid students get into the college of their choice, positioning them for graduate school and the right job. Needless to say, the competition is steeper than ever before. There are more females in undergraduate schools and in graduate schools than males.

On the one hand, this is encouraging because it signifies that our daughters are out there with career goals. But it also signifies ramped-up rivalry; our daughters have to work doubly hard to get into the best schools for the best education possible. And when they ace the system and succeed, they'll face a tricky workplace, one that they'll enter as best they can (a mother described her daughter as Phi Beta Kappa and Magna Cum Laude, with an M.B.A., but now commuting two hours to a job she finally landed). Not only are there not as many jobs available due to the economic downturn but sexism, tokenism, glass ceilings and unequal pay for equal work still exist.

Mothers are well aware of the perks of making one's own money and what independence means for women. Still, as baby boomers and as Generation Xers, not only do we know the joys of the workplace but the vagaries as well. And this, too, has impressed our daughters. (Mothers are the first and most profound models for their daughters.) While many of us have set an example in terms of our achievements, others have conveyed to our daughters our regret at not having had the chance to put our hard-earned degrees to the best use. Others have opted out and are proud of it, while still others encourage their daughters to go beyond their accomplishments, to exceed their dreams. Whatever our own journey, the message should be that our daughters find satisfaction in their success, despite our generation's complicated trajectory.

Let's not be an impediment to our daughters' goals; let's not allow any of our sour grapes or unhappy memories to blur their vision. After all, it may not be perfection, but our daughters have more choice than ever before in terms of accomplishments, lifestyle and opportunities.

Today, the ongoing conversation with a daughter, of any age, about ambition is one where we talk about being confident, not fearful. We offer an advantage when we teach practical skills and responsibility from an early age. It also helps to consider a daughter's strengths and individual talents and discuss how this can translate into motivation and achievement.

 
 
 

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It's a no brainer -- we want our daughters to excel, from grade school through grad school and then out in the real world. We want them to be independent, confident, and self-sufficient. This means th...
It's a no brainer -- we want our daughters to excel, from grade school through grad school and then out in the real world. We want them to be independent, confident, and self-sufficient. This means th...
 
 
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Debby Carroll
Blogger, The Joy of Fitness, Fitness Coach
03:22 PM on 11/12/2010
I suggest we speak to our daughters less about ambition and more about personal fulfillment. Ambition connotes financial success and while that's important, it's not the be all and end all. If we direct our daughters just to show themselves the money, we do them a disservice. Life, be it for your daughter or your son should be about finding what makes you whole and satisfied. It's not always about getting the "best" job and beating out the competition. Sometimes what makes you whole, what drives you to move forward is very much more personal and internal. Yes, I want my three daughters to succeed, on their own terms and in their own ways, with goals they bring up from their own depths.
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Lisa Shields
Poet & Advocate For Special Needs Children
08:44 AM on 11/11/2010
Given, and given...but at the same time we are trying not to cloud our daughter's dreams, it would be unfair to send them into this world thinking that the playing field is as long last level...when we know that is false. Strange...we have no trouble at all teaching our young women that they must be BETTER than their male counterparts to truly shine. And when she's done it all, gotten the good degrees. the brilliant grades, made the right connections...how exactly do we explain to her that a lesser candidate got the job...because he was a guy and the boss thinks men need the money more?

I fear for the current generation of up and comings...aged between 19-35. Young women who opted for single parenthood may find the business world utterly unforgiving of their choices...while the young man who "took responsibility" for his offspring will get bonus points when accessed for employment.
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ruchild
06:36 AM on 11/11/2010
My daughter is so driven that she is focused solely on getting through school and getting into her chosen field. She is very active at school and networking all ready for her graduation in 2 years with 2 majors and a minor (I did say driven right?). As a single parent, she watched me struggle and work in the workforce and in school, so she knows what to expect, as a woman. Everyday I am staggered and humbled by my child and oh so proud.
06:14 AM on 11/11/2010
Ugh, there is no substitute for parental participation during early development. Whether it be the father or the mother, children adopt their personalities from their parental influence, which: believe it or not: they adopt from the adult they spend their time with the most during their early rearing. It is a much better scenario to be poor and present, than to be professionally successful and a relative stranger to your children. If the justification is private school, you should really do the research about how your child's education is based largely on their ability and desire to learn based on their role models, not necessarily what school they go to.
03:18 AM on 11/11/2010
Something that's missing significantly from this discussion is balance. As a female college student, I'm highly motivated to succeed, but I will not measure my success by my bank account. While my single mother may have been too busy to ponder the lessons she was teaching me, she gave an excellent example of what it looks like to balance family and career. The truth is that it's difficult, but not impossible.

I have discovered that I won't be happy unless my life includes service, meaning, family, and rewarding relationships. I have to acknowledge that all choices come with consequences, but why can't I design my life to include a meaningful career and family life?

This may be the ignorance of youth speaking, but I hope to teach any daughters I have to know themselves and their values and take control of their own lives. I've enjoyed reading the comments more experienced women have posted!
01:09 AM on 11/11/2010
Something is missing from this article and that is the consequences of women who make careers their only goal or motivation in life. This over focus on careers without teaching about the other ways in which our lives have meaning and how to sustain oneself without depending on a lucrative career does a huge disservice to boys and girls. We won't all get to be CEO's and not everyone can have a top paying job. The more machines make our products and the more computers take over human labor the more we will be a nation of people walking around with nothing to do and addicted on drugs to cancel out our lack of motivation and purpose. What mothers shoold be teaching girls is an appreciation for living, connectedness to community and compassion toward others, being available to help others and culivating long lasting friendships, care of their bodies, and being budget conscious at the same time. Without these skills, some women end up with burn out, regrets and work related ailments and dysfunctional families. Is a career all there is to life? Career, work, make money and spend it? what does having it all entail?
What about fostering integrity by modeling how to live an ethical life and what that would entail? Or how to have an impact in the world other than by living only to generate an income.
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bruinlover09
10:23 PM on 11/10/2010
If I have a daughter, I am going to her that ambition is a good thing. I am going to tell her that it is okay if her dreams are different than her friends' dreams. I am going to tell her that is okay if she wants to somewhere that women are not well-represent. I am going to tell her that she should not wait or long for a fairy tale ending. I am going to tell her that SHE is the one who decided the quality and direction of her life. I am going to tell her that SHE can have it all as along as she is the one who defining what "it all" is.
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bruinlover09
10:02 PM on 11/10/2010
I think we need to courage girls to be what they want to be? We need to explain to girls that they will receive grief, no matter what decision that they make for their life. We need to teach girls not to rely on anyone to save them or provide for them.
04:32 PM on 11/10/2010
The feminist rant in parts of this article seem outdated. Is there sexism? Of course, and it's wrong. But let's recognize that almost 2/3 of people declaring the pursuit of higher degrees (Masters, PHD) are women, and the percentages of high achievers and college students demonstrate higher female achievement than male. The situation has led some colleges to enact affirmative action for men. If it were black students or women there would be books written about how this inequality needs to be addressed. However the decades-old history of inequality has a momentum that seems to be continuing the same old conversations.

The point of this article is valid and useful, but dragging up the 70's feminist assumptions needs to be reevaluated eventually.
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gubblebumm
05:37 PM on 11/10/2010
While its true women are seeking higher education in more numbers than men, that doesn't seem to be moving into the employment realm. Once there is equity there, with CEOs, managers, pay, you may have a point

If there is still a discussion of inequility, its because its still a huge issue
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bruinlover09
10:06 PM on 11/10/2010
Or government. The incoming Republican House committee chairmen are all white mans. I think there is a glass ceiling for women, especially women who do not want to hide their intelligence or ambition or use the traditional feminine roles to gain power.
JStading
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03:19 AM on 11/11/2010
A disingenuous point at best.  You can't say with a straight face that where there are some 140 undergraduate degrees conferred to women for every 100 conferred to men that there won't be a substantial shift in the economic distribution of the nation soon.  It's inevitable and is already happening with younger demographics.

Right now, the focus frankely needs to be on correcting anti-male sexism in primary and secondary schools.  Class cirriculums and rules are too often drafted by women to appeal to young girls. The sacrafice can be measured in disengaged young boys who get a sour taste for the education system.  The pendullum of sexism tends to swing in extremes.  It's time to moderate it a bit.
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sueinmn
03:41 PM on 11/10/2010
Achieve your full potential only to have government remove all possibilities because of their corrupt, inept methods of governing.
01:22 PM on 11/10/2010
Why does this article suppose that the highest good for a woman is a "career'. Such a load of American BS. And I can tell you because I have chosen such a path in corporate America. I got all the degrees and spent all the time to achieve my Directorship at one of the biggies. And am now left for 11 hours a day in an environment where serving oneself and optimizing profit at all cost rules the day. It is a draining way to live. And not what I want for my daughters. Not at all.
03:03 PM on 11/10/2010
I have to agree with this. I was encouraged to achieve my full "potential," which I assumed to be a career, and ended up completely unhappy in my well-respected job as a lawyer. There is so much more to life than pursuing a career just for the sake of ambition and that's what I would teach my daughter.

I've written an article addressing this topic: http://careared.com/articles/advice-and-lessons/a-career-cannot-provide-happiness
09:27 PM on 11/10/2010
I read your article and I think it says more about ambition than the article in HuffPo.
"It was a job, and that is all."
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bruinlover09
10:18 PM on 11/10/2010
Ambition is not limited to career.
01:08 PM on 11/10/2010
I was home when my kids were in elementary school, but worked as soon as they started school. While my teenage boys have never minded it, my sixteen year daughter (who wants to be a nurse) says that she wants to be a home-mom when she has kids. We live in an affluent community, and very, very few of the highly educated woman work, and she always liked that these moms were home after school. So, each girl will take a different message from the life of their mother.
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rlugbill
12:56 PM on 11/10/2010
I think perhaps we are teaching our daughters (and our sons) the wrong message. We are teaching them to be self-centered. It's all about their grades and what college they go to and what job they get. That's what we teach them. Achieve more. Get more stuff. Big house. Big car. Me Me Me.

My dd (12) wants to babysit younger children. She wants to take care of pets for others. Instead, we sign her up for a zillion music lessons and gymnastics lessons. No time for helping others, taking care of others. It's not about compassion and service, but about individual achievement.

Worshipping at the altar of individual achievement and materialism as only our modern western culture does, flies in the face of the wisdom of the saints and sages of the ages. Go to the mall and worship the goods you can buy if you get a job at a big corporation (regardless of what ill effects our job has on the world). What wisdom tradition endorses such a lifestyle?

Why are we trying to deprive both our sons and our daughters of a more meaningful existence that helps others instead of one that is centered on greed and materialism?
02:32 PM on 11/10/2010
Amen!
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Angie Tyne 1
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02:58 PM on 11/10/2010
You can do double duty with your daughter's free time. I racked up points for college while volunteering as a candy striper at a hospital. I had thought about becoming a nurse or doctor and learned that it was not a good fit for me.
I also volunteered at a local library.
Instead of music/gymnastics look into local pet shelters or children's centers that could use a helping hand. She will thank you for it and contribute to her community as well.
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whoknew---
12:45 PM on 11/10/2010
Self-worth and compassion for others.

I believe these are qualities that would try to impart to any child.

We need more decent human beings on this planet.
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marianproletarian
12:32 PM on 11/10/2010
Yikes. Is it wrong of me to hate the thought of my child ending up so ambitious? I don't have a girl, so I guess this is off topic.
01:32 PM on 11/10/2010
I don't think it is too far off topic. Boy or girl - being overly ambitious can be a problem. There is a balance to be achieved, and parents help children find it.