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What Scientists Can Learn From Ballet

Posted: 02/28/2012 6:24 pm

Let's first establish that dance and science are not so alien disciplines as one may think. As a ballerina and scientist, I've experienced many commonalities. Dr. Root-Bernstein (who co-authored this article) also gathered a wealth of data on the topic.

Scientists attending a dance performance will undoubtedly relate to the physicality and geometry of dance. The movement through time, the geometry of interactions, the symmetry of the lines, the balance of the bodies. All these have parallels in the physical interactions that occur in every science, from astronomy and physics, to chemistry and biology.

As professionals, dancers and scientists also exhibit many common qualities. Both share a desire for challenges, an ethic of hard work, a drive to transcend limits, and the perseverance to see projects through despite setbacks - and sometimes literally pain. Both put in the ten thousand hours required to master their skills, and make progress through perspiration and iterations; rewarded by occasional bursts of inspiration. Dancers practice the same steps over and over; the same way passionate scientists relentlessly repeat and tweak experiments until they yield the results they thrive to achieve.

1. Learning From Other Disciplines

Everyone who studied the creative process across disciplines agrees that it is virtually identical, despite real differences in materials and goals. Studies also show that scientists with creative avocations are often more successful than those without. We believe it's because they are able to apprehend problems with greater breadth, simultaneously linking intuitive and subjective ways of feeling, with objective and communicable ways of knowing.

Many breakthrough discoveries also resulted from scientists seeing links between their profession and other fields. Leonardo da Vinci and other Renaissance polymaths are prime illustrations. C. H. Waddington, a celebrated embryologist, was a dancer. He linked his work to the unfolding of a set of dance instructions, causing him to rethink embryology as a process rather than a mechanism, and resulting in a novel approach.

2. Learning Empathy

Empathy is a key skill for innovators. Scientists need to empathize with their materials, and immerse themselves into the problems they seek to illuminate. Einstein visualized travelling astride a speeding light beam, and pondered what the world would look like if he traveled at the velocity of light. Nobel Laureate Barbara McClintock imagined being the genes of the corn plants she studied, even claiming to become their "friend".

Dancers are masters of empathy. Ever since antiquity dancers have been great translators and purveyors of emotions and meaning. They inhabit music, characters, objects, and give life to them in front of our mesmerized eyes. We can learn from them. MacArthur Fellow John Cairns generated valuable insights about bacterial processes by dancing his experiments.

3. Learning Teamwork

Dancing is inherently collaborative. As children we learn to dance with others. We practice exercises in teams and in rhythm. Some of us get the pleasure to participate in performances and/or learn to dance pas de deux. Through these experiences, we assimilate the importance of being attuned to others, and surrendering to the harmony of the whole.

Scientists also advance their research through collaborations. Jim Watson and Francis Crick worked together to discover the DNA double helix. The resulting human genome project mobilized hundreds of people working in concert to crack the nature of human genes.

Learning teamwork in dance can help us work more effectively with others.

4. Learning to Transcend Limits

Dancers have a special attitude towards success. If you ask the world's best dancers if they are as good as they could be, they will undoubtedly say no.

As a young girl, my dance teacher used to say that every day we go to class to do better than yesterday - no matter our level (or how bad we feel that day). If we don't progress, we regress. We learn that our foremost competitor is ourselves. It is not good enough to be better than others. Peter Sims, best-selling author of Little Bets, calls it healthy perfectionism, a key ingredient for successful innovators.

Steve Jobs once said: "Most entrepreneurs get the product 90% right and feel satisfied. Great entrepreneurs, like great artists, push for the final 10% that makes all the difference." Every scientist would agree.

Conclusion

There's much more that dance and science share, and we plan to explore the topic in greater depth, but for the moment we just want to conclude by suggesting that next time a dancer meets a scientist or a scientist watches a dancer, instead of focusing on the differences, search for similarities (or better learn to dance). Dancers and scientists do share a common creative process, the mastery of complex skills, a drive to transcend limits, and a desire to excel. We can learn from each other!

This article is a collaboration with Dr. Robert Root-Bernstein, Professor of Physiology at Michigan State University.

 

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07:57 PM on 03/05/2012
Interesting article on ballet and science, but just I don't buy it. All that the stuff about teamwork and geometry and transcending limits sounds good, but dance is something you learn with your body and you learn science with your head. When I was taking ballet classes in New York I had the unfortunate tendency of trying to learn the steps with brain instead of just watching and feeling and letting my body figure it out without all those words in my head. Real dancers (unlike myself) learn purely kinesthetically. While you could come up with a justification why anything is related to anything, I see a profound difference between dance and science. Just spend time with dancers, and see how many of them approach learning their next routine in an intellectual way, and find me a scientist who doesn’t do a whole lot of thinking and planning before he or she starts their next experiment. Dance is a world away from science, which is just where it should be.
03:15 AM on 03/06/2012
AlanAE, do you really learn science _just_ by head? Don't you do experiments? Don't you use your body when you do experiments? I am a scientist/engineers who now also engages in art that includes modern dance. I find modern dance not merely kinesthetic, but also highly cerebral.

Take a look at this work:

http://synchronousobjects.osu.edu/
02:35 PM on 03/05/2012
Andrew has a good point -- you could substitute the word "ballet" with many other artistic (or non-science) endeavors. The arts can enrich science by training our visual, auditory and kinesthetic senses along with our analytic sides. And it is true that in our current educational model, the arts are the first things to get cut and many students are not exposed to the arts at a level that can be useful. Furthermore, many science educational tracks do not allow the student much time for the pursuit of artistic endeavors. So there are a lot of scientific people out there who have not had a lot of exposure to the arts.

Science is a beautiful search for truth, as are the arts. Both can be very creative and imaginative. If they can be brought together more often in the individual, everyone can benefit. There is a beautiful story about Einstein--when he had a difficult science problem to solve and was stuck, he went and played his violin. When he was fully engrossed in his music, the solution to the physics problem would often come.

It seems to me, anyway that this ability to think scientifically AND artistically can enhance our thinking as scientists, and that is the search for similarities that Sylvie is talking about. We can all learn much from other disciplines, and great discoveries and inventions can come from an individual applying principles from a completely different discipline.
06:55 PM on 03/05/2012
Dr K, thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful and articulate comment. Yes this is exactly the point. Artistic and creative endeavors bring enrichment to scientists (and other professionals as well).

I chose ballet and science here as a start, because it was intriguing, to take a concrete example. Two disciplines that are not usually making headlines in the same title. It made people curious to click on the link. (As a bonus it helped build bridges with the dance world who is not typically reading the science section).

Btu yes it should be put into a bigger context, which is what I am planning to explore in future articles, and through the new initiative I am starting called CAST www.castlabs.net. Dance is a beginning. Thank you so much.
03:06 AM on 03/06/2012
Yes, I think what this article gets at is way beyond art + science, and much more about the attitude that we as human beings can have when we're searching for a sense of truth, as you say.

Whether you're a scientist or an artist, we've all felt a sense of profound resonance when we find something unexpected as a result of our work. Unexpected yet completely obvious in hindsight and so so simple. As both a scientist and an artist I have felt this, and I'm sure others have as well:

Here's a short video I made to talk about this: http://vimeo.com/36629796

Would love your thoughts.

slim
01:51 PM on 03/05/2012
This is really great, Sylvie! Thank you for contributing so much to this conversation. The arts have a tremendous amount to contribute to the sciences, if we can begin to see the connections. As a physician and an artist, there have been many instances where my art training has helped me solve science and medical problems in unique ways. I have witnessed the same thing happening with other physicians with art backgrounds. It would be wonderful to see the integration of more arts training within the science curriculums. I believe it would benefit everyone!
07:38 PM on 03/06/2012
Thank you so much for your comments and contribution to the conversation, Dr K.
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11:19 PM on 03/04/2012
The problem I have with this article is that you could substitute "ballet" for a bewildering array of other activities. It implicitly paints scientists out to be these stereotypical, robotic, out-of-touch introverts who just need to let some love and liberal arts into their lives. Yes creative thinking is important; yes interdisciplinary collaboration is important. All of your points are valid but I don't see the connection to ballet? Learning to transcend limits? What universe do you live in where ballet dancers have more conviction than scientists?

Most of the ones I know think it's the most important thing in the world, to the point of passing up great paying jobs in industry so they can get by on the never-ending game of grants that allows them to do the work they feel is important. Science isn't just a job, it's a world view. It's been scientists who have given us all of the modern comforts of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Science, and the search for truth and meaning in the universe is one of the very few things that transcends time, space, religion, politics, culture, language, and every other barrier that usually keeps people apart. It's a brotherhood that has going strong for centuries and shows no signs of slowing down. To imply that going to the ballet once in a while is going to suddenly impart teamwork and empathy is an insult.
03:12 AM on 03/06/2012
Hi Andrew, I meant to reply to you, but I replied to dr k. I'll copy and paste what I wrote here:

My interpretation of this article is that it's hinting at the attitude that we as human beings need to have when searching for a sense of truth, as you say. Believe it or not many artists are searching for truth and meaning in the universe. :) They do this while waiting tables at restaurants.

Whether you're a scientist or an artist, we've all felt a sense of profound resonance when we find something unexpected as a result of our work. Unexpected yet completely obvious in hindsight and so so simple. As both a scientist and an artist I have felt this, and I'm sure others have as well:

Here's a short video I made to talk about this: http://vimeo.com/36629796

Would love your thoughts.

slim
01:00 AM on 03/03/2012
Yes! I am so excited to find a kindred soul! There has to be a way for us to collaborate!

I have spent the last 3.5 years researching into this exact topic personally going across disciplines as wide-ranging as computer science, interaction design, architecture, industrial design, graphic design, modern dance, theatre, and music.

Please check our project out at http://kck.st/whvn03

I would love to connect!
10:56 AM on 03/05/2012
Thank you for your comment, and happy to connect. We'd be pleased to have you join us: http://castlabs.net/2012/01/28/join-cast/
01:23 AM on 03/02/2012
Great article! You have put together a set of practical principles that could apply to any significant endeavor, be it in the arts or the sciences. It is interesting that scientists can (mostly) agree on a "beautiful" experiment or an "elegant" theory, implying that beauty and elegance do play a role in their activities. The concepts of parsimony and simplicity, stressed often in the sciences, also play a role in the arts (e.g. taking out all superfluous words in prose; the constraints of poetry). Dance, and ballet in particular, combines physicality, aesthetics, kinesthetics and (yes!) physics into a seamless whole; the fluidity of the practiced ballet dancer could be said to resemble the thought-processes of the experienced scientist. Many scientists practice some form of rigorous physical activity; many computer programmers are accomplished musicians. Perhaps the "flow" required to achieve success in either field are the same. Your comment on Steve Jobs reminds me of a similar comment I once heard at a seminar at Stanford - "The top 5% of any endeavor is art" (think cuisine, design, fashion, architecture, engineering, etc.)
12:52 PM on 03/02/2012
Thank, Sunil for your thoughtful comment and sharing your insights. We chose to start with dance and science to write something concrete, rather than writing a general essay on art and science. But the principles apply to all creative endeavors, as you rightly pointed out. Loved your point about parsimony and simplicity. Leonardo da Vinci summed it well: "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication". Thank you.
10:18 PM on 03/01/2012
"There are, then, no generally applicable 'rules of induction,' by which hypothesis or theories can be mechanically derived or inferred from empirical data. The transition from data to theory requires creative imagination." -Carl Hempel, "Scientific Inquiry: Invention and Test."
12:09 PM on 03/02/2012
Good quote. Thanks for sharing. Also, another favorite from Albert Einstein: "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere".
07:38 PM on 03/01/2012
I've been thinking about and trying to define the link between my two passions for dance and technology. Your article resonated with me so much. As someone who has had to defend and define the relevance of my artistic background in a very data-driven and technical environment, I was inspired, thank you.
12:05 PM on 03/02/2012
Rachele: thank you for your note. Nice to meet a fellow technologist and ballerina. I had the same experience growing up, and struggled to see the connection myself. I lived half of my life in silos (with dance in one side, and science/tech in the other)... Until one day I (finally) internalized the unique insights and enrichment I could derive from having expertise in art and science... If I can help others realize/internalize this connection, then it will be my dream. Thank you so much for your comment. Keep on dancing :)
03:43 PM on 03/01/2012
This is great! As an engineer, I find that - even from a non-technical perspective - I get a lot of enjoyment out of being around the ballet world (my 16-year-old son is a dancer, and I am on the Board of our local company - here's a blog post I wrote a couple years ago: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/blogs/post-view/?ciid=688). In a more general sense, the collaborative aspect that you write about in Section 1 has been catching on in recent years, as many universities are offering more and more multi-disciplinary majors and even just classes. My alma mater, Stanford University, has even gone so far as to put more emphasis on this cross-discipline thinking by designing new buildings to specifically encourage this collaboration. Now, if only I could go back in time and learn to dance.... ;-)
11:37 AM on 03/02/2012
Marty: thank you for your comment and sharing your post. (I am also a Stanford alumni, we should connect offline). Interesting that you mention Stanford, this article follows a cross-departmental seminar I organized at Stanford last December (on same topic), which brought together a prima ballerina from SF Ballet (Sofiane Sylve), and distinguished scientists and entrepreneurs for a conversation about artistry, creativity and innovation: http://castlabs.net/2011/11/22/cast-labs-debut-at-stanford/. I look forward to speaking further.
02:34 PM on 03/01/2012
This is a very interesting article. It would be nice to dig deeper about the fact that certains activities create aptitude that can xfertilise others domains. The XXIth century will be an aptitude development century opposed to the XXth century that just focus on knowledge.
11:20 AM on 03/02/2012
Thank you, Oussama, for your insightful comment, and for putting this article into a bigger context. This is what we plan to examine through future articles, and a new initiative we recently started called CAST: www.castlabs.net. Notably we believe that artistry and creativity are important skills to thrive in the 21st century, in any domain. Thank you.
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11:06 PM on 02/29/2012
I would find this interesting How do choreography markings translate into chemistry? Is it possible to catalog diffusion processes by combinations of the 5 dance steps. I think it is great that you are trying to bring science in from the opposite of bullets, pool balls and bail jumping movements.
11:06 AM on 03/02/2012
Thank you for your comment. I am not a chemist, but suspect this would make for an interesting choreography. Have you seen videos of "Dance your Dissertation" on YouTube? You may like to check them out (just run a query) for inspiration, or if nothing else for fun... It is interesting watching what science PhDs have come up with.
11:00 PM on 02/29/2012
Great article. In my interviews with innovators, a common factor is their experience/education in a wide variety of fields. And yes- teamwork is critical. I look forward to seeing future articles from you on this topic.
11:41 AM on 03/01/2012
You want to see teamwork? Go to CERN or NASA.
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06:49 PM on 03/01/2012
So, I've worked at CERN with a great number of collaborators. And I know for a fact that after working 18 hour shifts non-stop you begin to feel this lull in creativity. That lull is similar to a stage in your dance career when you don't feel any inspiration just rogue memory. That type of work is dry, 16-18 hours non-stop working on anything will kill your enthusiasm unless you learn to hone the 'aha.' This typifies transcending your known human limits, this is when you realize that the reason your electron (or whatever) trapping experiment failed is because of some esoteric problem that you've only seen once in a seminar you can barely remember. This is the same point in which you danced the piece a million times but this time there's that one thing you did that brought the piece to life, the stage in which new knowledge is formed.

If you can't understand this then maybe you've never experienced the moment where scientific discovery feels like pure art in motion, where ideas flow from somewhere you can't quite locate and history is made. Maybe you're not Einstein or Dirac or any of the many other notable scientist who would beg to differ with you; seeing themselves the strong similarities to their enlightening moments with that of a dancer or painter or musician.
12:13 PM on 03/01/2012
Thank you for your comment, Francine. I am all for multi-disciplinary education/experience. I would love to learn more about your interviews with innovators. I will contact you separately. Thank you!
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09:27 PM on 02/29/2012
Awareness of the body is akin to awareness of the mind in the sense that one can expand memory, neurological or physical, with practice and exhibition. Scientist and performers alike practice and exhibit their talents daily with the same goals of continuous improvement, enlightenment and the such.
This article really brings a lot of the similarities of both fields and clarifies where the crossover exist and how the dialogue between seemingly dissimilar parties can be started. Overall I really enjoyed it.
12:02 PM on 03/01/2012
Thank you very much for your thoughtful comment. It adds value to the article. My impetus was to start a dialogue, as you mentioned. And I believe it starts with finding common ground, between groups who don't readily cross-pollinate. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
09:15 PM on 02/29/2012
A nice piece highlighting the universal need for perfectionism, perseverance and discipline to achieve success in any complex endeavor. I enjoyed reading it.
11:53 AM on 03/01/2012
Thank you for your comment. Glad you liked the article.
12:52 PM on 02/29/2012
OK, can you please dance me the electronic configuration of sodium from first principles?

Thanks. (Shakes head in disbelief and walks away slowly...)
06:27 PM on 02/29/2012
Thank you for your comment. Funny that you mention, Dr. Root-Berstein had pointed me to a whole program about dancing your dissertation. If you search YouTube for "Dance your Dissertation" or "Dance your PhD", you will be surprised by the types of things scientists have set to dance.
08:33 PM on 02/29/2012
I think you may be mistaking "things that nerds do for fun for 100" for science. When I say things like "first principles", I am talking about actual derivation, not interpretation.

My problem with your post is the smell of condescension. I would never post something like "What ballet dancers can learn from physics". To me ballet is a completely unique and special world, which I do not have ANY relevant insights into and which I can not make ANY comments about. And I don't. I only make comments about things which I had some professional exposure to in my life or which can be commented on based on trivial logic and publicly available facts (and I reserve the right to be proven wrong about those).

Now, of course, if you happen to be both a good scientist (in which case you would have to be a specialist in half a dozen fields, according to your own list) and a good ballet dancer, maybe you could write an article that is not a hodgepodge of banalities. Maybe. As it is, you didn't (and I don't even want to make assumptions about your status in either world, as the quality of the article is not particularly promising).

In short: let's stick to what we do best and let's not try to give advice to others, unless we have something to back it up with.