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The Price of Being Prophetic: Isaiah 6:1-8 and John 3:1-17

Posted: 05/30/2012 12:13 pm

The recent escape of the well-known blind Chinese human rights lawyer Chen Guangcheng from house arrest to the American embassy has attracted a lot of attention in the media. The story is rife with possibilities in an election year, and pundits and politicians are quick to spin it to their own advantage, be it to extol their virtues or launch preemptive strikes against their opponents. It would be easy to dismiss the American reaction as cynical and crass. The state-controlled Chinese press certainly does. But to do so would overlook something deep in the heart of the American character.

Chen's story engrosses us because it embodies all the right elements to tug at our American heartstrings. Chen was blind from childhood, but studied law to become an advocate for his fellow villagers who were forced by the authorities to undergo abortions. He filed a class-action suit against the authorities that resulted in his harassment, imprisonment and eventual house arrest. He was David going up against totalitarian Goliath. That he managed to escape to the American embassy, setting off a chain of high-level diplomatic maneuvers, only adds to his mystique. Here is the story of the little guy succeeding in rattling big bad government: just like the lone man standing up to a battalion of tanks at Tiananmen Square or the ill-equipped early American minutemen beating back the British to garner for us our inalienable rights and freedom. Chen's story is our national story, so we Americans might be forgiven for a little irrational exuberance. We are the standard bearers of rights and freedom, and we love to tell the world about it.

Being prophetic is no trivial matter, however, if the Prophet Isaiah's experience is any guide. Isaiah 6 describes an extraordinary vision of a divine court, but the vision takes place not in heaven but on earth, in the very temple where heaven and earth meet and where political sovereignty and religious authority intersect. As the seer looks on, the court is in session. The Lord of hosts sits aloft on a throne and dresses in a robe that fills the whole temple, a temple that reverberates with the sound of the seraphs' acclamation: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory" (Isaiah 6:3). That the divine judge fills both temple and earth gives us a glimpse of the universality of God's lordship. The legal standing of God extends to not just a small tribal corner in a closed society but the whole world where true justice is valued. Tyrants come under judgment not just because they violate the rights and impede the freedom of their own citizens; they are judged because they violate a universal code of conduct whose sole guarantor is none other than the Ancient One. The judge does not speak, not yet anyway, nor do we see any of the characteristics that we normally associate with the Divine One. There is no need. The sight of the sweeping robe and the seraphic voices, accompanied by quake and smoke (Isaiah 6:4), is enough. The mere presence of God establishes the universality of rights and justice. There is no independent warrant for rights and justice. There can be none.

But an incongruent thing happens in the midst of this awe-inspiring scene. The would-be prophet cowers before the throne and whimpers, "Woe is me! I am lost, for I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips" (Isaiah 6:5). No posturing. No preachiness. No self-righteousness. Only a spontaneous, reflexive, even involuntary confession of guilt. There is none of the modern legal trappings of proof and evidence. In the presence of the author and originator of true justice, the only proper response can only be an admission of guilt -- not just one's own guilt but the collective guilt of a whole people. Thereupon the judge cleanses the guilty man before commissioning him as prophet (Isaiah 6:7-8).

Antoinne Murphy is serving a 25-year-to-life sentence for homicide at Sing Sing Correctional Facility. Murphy grew up in a middle class home in Flushing, Queens and attended private school. At 16, he says he headed down the wrong path and began selling drugs. Since his incarceration Murphy has obtained his bachelor's degree through Mercy College, and earned a Master's of Professional Studies from New York Theological Seminary. Through his studies and reflection, Murphy has chosen a path in ministry, "I actually found out who I am now," he says. "And it's all about giving back to the community and I know that despite the fact the way I am, prison doesn't define me."

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We pay lip service to humility as a virtue, but now as ever amassing power is more likely our personal and national operating principle. In biblical parlance, humility and humiliation are one and the same word. We blunt the sharp paradox of the cross when we prematurely transmute Christ's humiliating death, the cruelty of crucifixion, into a virtue (Philippians 2:8). In refusing to accept Christ's grotesque execution as defeat, as a total forfeiture of all prerogatives, his rights and freedom as a human being, we fail to heed the demand on us for repentance and self-reflection. But this is exactly the difference between prophets and megalomaniacs. Megalomania is little more than a counterfeit messianism that uses a veneer of rights and freedom to mask its selfish ends, but authentic prophecy is predicated on and preconditioned by cleansed guilt. A true prophet is led by an ego transformed by the spirit. The Gospel of John is describing this very phenomenon when it says that the spirit, literally the wind, blows where it wills. We hear its sound but don't know whence it comes or whither it goes (John 3:8). We are left with only no alternative but to align our transformed self with the spirit of freedom.

Many today use the Puritan John Winthrop's notion of "the shining city on a hill" to support a form of American exceptionalism. Many believe with historian Gordon Wood that "we Americans are a special people with a special destiny to lead the world toward liberty and democracy." We indeed have a prophetic role to play in the world. It's a noble calling, and we should be proud to discharge our awesome responsibilities that go with it. But lest we forget the preconditions for the Prophet Isaiah's commissioning, he confesses his own guilt and the guilt of his own people. Then, he insists on dwelling in their midst. Not to lord over them or to manipulate them for exploitation, but to be one of them. Are we willing to pay the price?

Editor's Note: ON Scripture - The Bible is a series of Christian scripture commentaries produced in collaboration with Odyssey Networks. Each week pastors from around the country will approach the lectionary text of the week through the lens of current events, providing a religious voice that is both pastoral and prophetic.

 
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Debra Martinez
Who is your God...
02:39 PM on 06/14/2012
The price of being a phrophet is being anonted by holy spirit and doing the the will of God.For, the don't seach out thier own had for themselves. What they do is they walk in truth and spirit. ANd with the active force of holy spirit , Jehovah God our creator will place upon the them mission of his will to take place.
Matthew 6:9.. Sanctified his name. That means the anointed ones will teach and preach the will of God and not of man's ways....and the will worship in truth ans spirit in accomplishing the mission of' "Kingdom of God"
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Nastasya Filippovna
The vitality of a cat.
03:43 PM on 06/02/2012
Science.....I don't think anybody denies that it's a spectacular feat of mankind, however can't see that it too can be quicksand? Every strength does have a weakness; a vaccine that has protected us from one wicked disease often creates a hybrid much worse....genetically modified food...Therefore sometimes our insistence that empirical data trumps what we cannot see or prove, and that in fact guarantees that we are in fact in a state of equilibrium similar to any other species is, imo, rather faulty....no other animal plays God or destroys itself through it's own attempt at creation and synthetic preservation - aka science), and no other animal has Free Will....I have yet to see an Atheist remark on Free Will or the author's THESIS ON HUMILITY. Science seems in all honesty to be more of a red herring, and this, imo, refers to the author's thesis on humility- it doesn't stop at the good of mankind...it continues for the sake of science, which I find quite disturbing, and this goes to a quite malignant, ego-driven drive to use it above and beyond ethics, even if it destructive to man (such as what we see with the pharmacies and certain genetic experiments, the list goes on and on). Of course science asserts the plethora of particles that man has as to play with on his earthly playground, but in fact indicates that his capacity for pride and self destruction, the antithesis of evolution, is all the greater.
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Nastasya Filippovna
The vitality of a cat.
03:12 PM on 06/02/2012
This was absolutely awe-inspiring...the pinnacle of eloquence....I so, so, so rarely hear these specific elements of Christianity discussed, and I cannot be emphatic enough that it is these exact points discussed with such profound grace by the author that capture the essence of Christ's message and I feel are not mentioned enough! This Christian concept of humility is perhaps one of the most potent and life changing qualities, and to hear this addressed through it's true beholder, our Lord Savior, with the same modesty and earnest nature that it implores, is a gift. This author is of quite unusual intelligence and insight. I thank this incredibly wise gentleman for transcending the foundations of Christianity that have been lost and buried under institutionalized control, sanctimony and dissention through one of the most harmonious, intelligent and earnest of essays I have read in quite some time!
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suebeedue
03:15 AM on 06/01/2012
This world is extremely sick. I just heard on the news about a porn star who stabbed an Asian man with an ice pick, dismembered him and sent his body parts to different people - and it was shown on the internet. He is now believed to be in France. My point in printing this is- God will have to step in and put an end to the horrible things we see in the world. Most of us would never do anything like that, but we live amongst people who would, and we may not even know they are right next door to us. It is a deplorable state this world is. The prophecies show that God will end this wickedness and soon and many of us are looking forward to it with great anticipation. It won't come a moment to soon as far as I am concerned, and I am grateful to God for giving me and millions of others hope of a much brighter future than the horrors we read about daily.
02:32 PM on 06/02/2012
Your solution is to wait for G-d to step in and whisk you away? What a hopeless way to solve the problem about which you complain. Why not work to reshape this world into a more hopeful and just place instead of hoping that you'll be pulled out and hang those left? By the way, shouldn't the prophecies have been fulfilled while Christ's disciples were still living? Probably one of those fine apologetic points of which I lack comprehension. What's hopeful is that believers will realize that no one is coming back, that we have to make our own purpose and make this a just world. No one is coming back to bail us out of anything.
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suebeedue
10:03 PM on 06/02/2012
My solution? You are very cavalier about it. Do you believe the governments of God could carry out a tenth of what God's government will do? Not on your life. Meanwhile, I follow the laws of God, the laws of the land that do not conflict with God's laws and help others to do so as well. That is more proactive than most right there, I do not believe I will be "pulled out"-- and "hang the rest"- Scirptures say 'the meek will inherit the earth" and so- we stay on earth, except for those who will be resurrected to heaven to be kings and priests over the earth. (Rev. 5:10)

And no- the prophecies were not fulfilled when Christ's disciples were still living, nor as you say, should they be. Christ told his folowers to look for a "composite sign" mentioned at Matthew 24, and a great preaching campaign had to be accomplished first (verse 14). Also the parable of the wheat and the weeds explained that true and false Christians would grow together until the end, at which point the true would shine and be obvious over the false.

Jesus is not "coming back" , Jesus the risen Christ is already ruling in his kingdom and his presence has already begun.
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02:17 AM on 06/04/2012
But in the meantime, we have to give monsters like him the benefit of the doubt and save the world from people who would like to raise children in a decent and wholesome environment.
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suebeedue
07:01 AM on 06/04/2012
Monsters like the porn star? No- if found and arrested he should stand trial and if convicted, pay the price of his crime according to the court. That is what happens now, in the future judgement he will be judged by God's risen Son as to whether or not he should be allowed to live forever or not. That is not my judgement, that belongs to Christ. But I do know that there will be no one in paradise that will cause any harm to anything or anyone, so it does not look good for this person at all. But only God knows who truly repent and who are mentally sick and who are evil- that is his "job", not mine.
05:08 PM on 05/31/2012
" Megalomania is little more than a counterfeit messianism that uses a veneer of rights and freedom to mask its selfish ends, but authentic prophecy is predicated on and preconditioned by cleansed guilt. A true prophet is led by an ego transformed by the spirit."

One of the best lines I've read in a while and very true.
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
03:35 PM on 06/05/2012
Not to my way of looking at things. "Cleansed guilt" is meaningless. And there are no prophets. And there has never been anyone who knew the future.
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Newfoundlander
I'm a pessimist, an optimist with experience!
04:37 PM on 05/31/2012
It should be remembered that "prophecy" only exists in the minds of the believers. A sterling proof of this is to be found in the Biblical meanderings of Jack Van Impe, where each week he twists, distorts, and contorts Scripture to show that the events of the PAST week were foretold. Of course, even with his self-proclaimed encyclopedic knowledge of the Bible, he is very careful NOT to show the foretelling of the events of the COMING week, because he knows that "prophecy" is always seen after the fact. This after-the-fact "accuracy" of prophecy is exemplified by the book of Daniel, where there are numerous inconsistencies in the history of the times when it was supposedly written (sixth century BCE), especially about the figure Darius the Mede of whom history has NO trace, but has accuracy about events in the second century BCE, the time when most biblical scholars agree the book was written.

I'm reminded of the time I asked a self-proclaimed psychic why, if he had the gift of foretelling the future, he didn't use this "power" to play the lottery. He piously replied that he could not use his "gift" to enrich himself, but was at a loss for words when I pointed out that charging "clients" more than $120.00 per hour-long reading was exactly the same thing.
02:27 PM on 06/02/2012
Daniel reports that when Babylon was overthrown, a king named “Darius the Mede” began to rule. (Daniel 5:31) Darius the Mede has not yet been found by name in secular or archaeological sources. Thus, The New Encyclopædia Britannica asserts that this Darius is “a fictitious character.”
Some scholars have been more cautious. After all, critics once labeled Belshazzar “fictitious” as well. Undoubtedly, the case of Darius will prove similar. Already, cuneiform tablets have revealed that Cyrus the Persian did not assume the title “King of Babylon” immediately after the conquest. One researcher suggests: “Whoever bore the title of ‘King of Babylon’ was a vassal king under Cyrus, not Cyrus himself.” Could Darius have been the ruling name, or title, of a powerful Median official left in charge of Babylon? Some suggest that Darius may have been a man named Gubaru. Cyrus installed Gubaru as governor in Babylon, and secular records confirm that he ruled with considerable power. One cuneiform tablet says that he appointed subgovernors over Babylon. Interestingly, Daniel notes that Darius appointed 120 satraps to govern the kingdom of Babylon.—Daniel 6:1.
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gerorem
Linus v. Lucy
10:35 PM on 06/03/2012
Prophecy is more aptly described as speaking out, not fore-telling.
It may include elements of warning, but it's primary purpose is to warn about the course of present conditions.

It is typical of a prophet not to relish the role of being "outspoken."
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nlightenup
Retired psychologist, responds to open minds.
03:53 PM on 06/04/2012
Amen to that. The people we now call "whistleblowers" wold once have been called "prophets." I think we would do well to call them prophets, taking care to separate the meaning from fore-telling. Being known as a prophet might deliver a measure of respect that doesn't always accompany "whistleblower." I have no illusions about it changing the larger earthly outcome of how prophets and whistleblowers are treated, however. I'm reminded of what St. Teresa of Avila was overheard to have said, when she was fussing at God: "No wonder you don't have more friends. Just look at how you treat the ones you do have!"
08:57 AM on 05/31/2012
the problem with this type of literature . . . . it has existed since ancient Egypt . .is that it was written after the facts . . . it refers to the recent past . . . not to the future ... . it is just set in the past to make the prophecies looks authentic . . . . and let's not forget the thousands of hands that have gone into cophying and editing down the centuries . . .
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suebeedue
05:59 PM on 05/31/2012
The prophecies about Christ were written thousands of years before he came to the earth, so what are you talking about?

And all the Scribes who have copied the word down through the centuries, taking great care to do it accurately only goes to show the amazing canon of books that the Bible is. Look at you coming here to talk about it, along with millions of others who consult, talk about, share, follow and discuss the Bible. It is an amazing book, whether you think so or not.
04:56 AM on 06/01/2012
oh please .. . these books were edited translated and retranslated . . the interpretation was very often tained with political concerns . . . . you have to learn to think outside the box . . or in this case the bible . . . .
02:42 PM on 06/02/2012
Actually, the gospels were written with some of the prophecies in mind and were written in such a way to make it appear that the prophecies were fulfilled. The gospel writers wrote the stories decades after the supposed events. The early believers had time to back reference the Jewish scriptures and use pretzel logic to proclaim them fulfilled by Christ. The writers of the gospels rigged the game and actually did a poor job of understanding what the Jewish scripture really said. The virgin birth is a classic example of misunderstood scripture worked into some, not all, of the gospel stories. This isn't some wild rant, this is a generalization of current biblical scholarship.
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Andres64
Religion is a sectually transmitted disease.
06:04 AM on 05/31/2012
Name ONE, verifiable prophecy.
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suebeedue
07:15 AM on 05/31/2012
I think you are fulfilling one right now. (2 Peter 3: 3,4)
12:03 PM on 05/31/2012
suebeedue,
Fanned and faved you.
:-)
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Tribidemp
This shall remain empty.
01:27 PM on 05/31/2012
Probably because this was known to be ridiculous at the time it was written down.

Hey I’m going to say some crazy stuff and then predict that it will be scoffed at by people in the future.

Wow… I just discovered that I’m a prophet. Now give me some money.
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12:09 PM on 05/31/2012
"I, the Great and All-knowing Auger Otter of the Gods, predict that the sun will rise in the east tomnorrow. . . "

. . . well, maybe not .. in an uncertain multiverse physicists (including Dr. Sheldon Cooper) tells us there exists the possiblity (not probablity) that it won't. . . course we would not be here to see it if that happened! So, in this case, as in so many other cases, phrophecy is well, moot, to be nice about it.

On a more personal note are you as sick to death of the Nostrdamus stuff as I am? ;)
12:11 AM on 05/31/2012
Some believe that heaven is the abode of a First Lord, who is responsible for the conduct of the universe, answers for it in sacred texts, and moves and empowers it at will. It has been suggested that Four Angelic Lords: a Civil Lord, a Nominal Lord, a Permanent Lord, and a Nihilism Lord Secretary execute the will of the First Lord. These superior permanent officers serve as comptrollers of the mechanisms of existence, directors of vitality, directors of change, director of stability, directors of transports, directors of geoographic and hydrographic matters, and rectors of all nihilistic matters in general. The office of Lord High Necromancer, since the revolution of time, has, with three exceptions, been held in commission by only immortal beings. The exceptions are, Judas Iscariot, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Albert Einstein. They comprise a Trinity of Destruction as was mandated by the First Lord according to the ageless, unkowable plan.
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
01:34 PM on 05/31/2012
Fanned, Colonel. I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds extremely impressive.
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Tom Berndt
08:54 PM on 05/31/2012
Huh? What is this belief, some sort of ancient Gnostic heresy?
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Pole
retired professor of History, Comparative Religion
10:52 PM on 05/30/2012
There are good reasons I am drawn to the Hebrew prophets. First, I agree with Walter Rauschenbusch when he wrote about Jesus following in the line of the prophets (A Theology for the Social Gospel, 1922). Secondly, they reflect Moses and the Torah (Jews consider Moses to be the first and greatest prophet). Third, they spoke against power and corruption. Their words rang with the truth of honesty, humility, justice, and compassion for the people. They spoke for G-d. While their messages varied in emphasis, Micah 6:8 sums up their message very well: "He has told you, O man, what is good, And what the Lord requires of you: Only to do justice, And to love goodness, And to walk modestly with your God;..." In transliterated Hebrew: Higid laha Adam moh tove Umoh Adoni dorash memha tiem: Asod Mispat..Viahavat Hesed...Vatznea lechet im Eoheha." The theme of Amos also says it most strongly when he rails against Greed, Deceit and Cruelty, the three cornerstones that will bring down any society, including ours. The Hebrew prophets were for the people, that is humanitarians, as was Jesus son of Joseph, in the best sense. The prophets made it clear G-d would judge the rulers and managers by these standards. Their wealth and economic power would avail them nothing. G-d can act quite well through nature and nature's changes.
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02:06 AM on 05/31/2012
thanks Pole , its a nice comment, a little more in the physical or carnal realm

I might add that the Prophets included David and he dealt in power and corruption

which brings me to what the Phrophets were really talking about, that is spiritual matters, they used a term called "the Day of the Lord" or some similar wording, the time period when G_d would be acting upon a person, as "in that Day" or "Today if you can hear my voice"

I would say once G_d destroys the oppressor inside: evil spirits, nature or character, the person outwardly will be kind to the oppressed.......Daniel 4:27 and "afterward I will pour out my spirit"....Joel 2:28

that downfall and destruction like Job, is the sign, which is why many people "find the Lord" in their darkest hour (darkness and gloom and blackness) Antoinne Murphy's story is probably right up there with 'em

until the transformation; called circumcision of heart, we know the heart is wicked and not right with G_d, this would be why Jesus said such things "honor me with lips but heart is far away from me" and that ones enemies is of their own household, leaving mother and father, and the Prophet is without honor, because before the change, people are wild (evil) and destructive
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phal4875
The world is run by cats; we just feed them.
01:37 PM on 05/31/2012
When circumcision gets into the areas of hearts and even fruits, it becomes a little bit odd. The Apostle Paul seemed to love the idea of "uncircumcision," too.
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08:40 PM on 06/06/2012
Why are you retired, sir?
10:08 PM on 05/30/2012
Sze-Kar Wan seems to have the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of this world rolled into one entity. Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." The precepts of the kingdom of God are God centric, but the precepts of this world are man centric.

As believers we have received from Christ a command to enlighten the nations with democracy and freedom? I have never heard such a thing from his lips. There is absolutely no humility in the thought that my form of government is the answer to all the world's woes.
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suebeedue
06:55 AM on 05/31/2012
In fact- God's kingdom will crush and put an end to all of mankind's governments and will replace them with his own, which will rule forever over the earth. (Dan. 2:44, Matthew 24:14, Rev. 21:3,4)
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12:10 PM on 05/31/2012
. . .I am glad I am not christian then, 'cause I have other plans for my future. . .
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Claude Hosch
A single bracelet does not jingle
09:53 PM on 05/30/2012
I don't think Isaiah cowered, but offered self honesty about himself. Just think, if we had politicians that honest all would be good.

The article seems to miss the spiritual importance of Christ's death, the choice he had, and the virtue of it because he did not have to die. Christ himself said of his death: "...and I lay down my life for the sheep" Jn.10:15. "Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father" Jn.10:17-18.

The virtue was in the decision to give his life for others. It was a violent death; a death he chose. The greater good out weighs the lesser evil.

"It is to blessings and calamity that happiness and misery respond."
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10:25 PM on 05/30/2012
Plese sir I want some more.
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Claude Hosch
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10:07 AM on 05/31/2012
"It is not necessary to enchant a serpent to get bitten"
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flinthfp
1John 5:11-12 Eternal Life in flesh
10:25 PM on 05/30/2012
He shared our humanity, to enable it to conform to his image and intended purpose. Genesis 1:26, Psalm 8:4-6, Hebrews 2:17
Hebrews 2:10-18
New International Version (NIV)
 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.
Shalom
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Claude Hosch
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10:07 AM on 05/31/2012
Peace be with you.
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suebeedue
09:19 PM on 05/30/2012
During Isaiah's prophetic service to Judah, especially in the days of King Ahaz, the kingdom was in a deplorable moral state. (Isaiah 1: 2=10) The nation was sick in the "head" and in the "heart". Isaiah was told in advance that the people would not listen- their "ears would be unresponsive'. This condition would continue until the nation would come to a ruin and only "a tenth" - "a holy seed" would be left, like the stump of a massive tree.

Isaiah's message was dynamic back then and still holds true today- 'Holy holy holy is Jehovah, the fullness of his earth is his glory. The vision of God's throne was so profound (at Is. 6:1- 5) that Isaiah was "brought to silence" as he contemplated his role in God's magnificence. We have the same privilege today to speak of God and talk to people about him. Many will be just as unresponsive today as they were in Isaiah's day, but the small percentage who listen is definitely worth while to tell them of God and his purpose for the earth and those who obey his righteous decrees. And it is worth it for all of us to keep learning about God, as he helps us all just as he did Isaiah.
09:09 PM on 05/30/2012
"The spirit......literally the wind..."
if you are discerning enough, and acknowledge your spirituality
and the spirituality of others, past and future,
of earth and of the heavens...
you may notice that, sometimes, at least,
the wind, especially in the trees,
has a certain recognisable personality.
You can attribute it to animism if someone criticizes you for acknowledging it.
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HowardFalco
Spiritual Teacher & Author of 'I AM'
11:43 AM on 05/31/2012
"Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind..." - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin
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12:14 PM on 05/31/2012
Lovely. . . I agree, thank you from the bottom of my pagan heart for sharing that kind, inclusive ,and compassionate thought! =) !
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methodman
06:35 PM on 05/30/2012
Another example take Schumpter and Suze Orman. Who is easier to understand? Who had more far reaching idea? Prophetic ideas are far reaching. Both these people would be considered prophets. Don't you think or are prophets only dead so no conversation really can exist? I say that as someone who is able to capture being irritated because I am unable to meet the requirements that spirits who have a lesson plan set out demand I meet before they will continue a conversation. Sorry but I have to reach certain mature lines of thought having understood enough vocabulary to create nuance. Yeah Yeah and awesome doesn't do anything for me.