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Pickens And Wind Power: Can It Be Done? What's The Cost?



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Al Gore formed a company in England. Google it. Buried in Brit papers. He will get a percentage of every carbon tax dollar for the rest of his life.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 07/26/2008

OK. But are you against green renewable energy sources and energy independence?
That is the more important question.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 07/26/2008

Greenwash for coal gasification, privatization of water resources (see http://www.tpj.org/watchyourassets/pickens/index.html) and ongoing monopolization of traditional power generating capacity.

You people trust this guy to act on behalf of the public good, rather than his own private profit and personal power?

Yeh, right.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/26/2008

So what? someone is going to make the money from windpower sales.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 07/26/2008

That's the serious question to be asked, how much wind power is feasible, at most it can't provide all the time base load and the article alluded to that, right wing global warming deniers snark about this and the Kennedy's opposition etc. and the enviros don't give a definitive answer, they whitewash it.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/26/2008

what a crock of fear mongering FUD that article was. 20 GW of wind was installed last years, up 30% from the previous years. at that rate of growth we can be installing over 100GW of wind per year in 6 years. That's average gw not peak. and that's a 1.4$ per installed average watt. So the cost is around 1 trillion dollars to generate enough electricity to replace coal nukes and 90% car oil fuel use, assuming plug in hybrids.

In the ten years we spend converting to wind and solar, we will continue to use existing generators as needed. As we completely phase out slow to change output nukes and coal, we can continue to use natural gas turbines which are cheap and quick on off. It's what the electric companies use now to ":top" high demand. Since methane is 20x the greenhouse gas that co2 is, we should burn up the big deposits of it.

Eventually more hydrogen storage will be used for leveling winds output.

Note, even Nuke plants have to be shut down 39 days every 17 months for refueling.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 07/26/2008

Pickens wants to make money. We may not like him but his entrepreneur and daring. These are the people that have shaped America like Ford.

His putting his money where the future of energy is at and that I think is a good thing. His thumbprint serves as a valid point that we can and should get off of oil. Its a finite source of energy that will one day run out. So I think its a good thing.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 07/25/2008

He's also appropriating all the water in Texas and privatizing it:

http://www.tpj.org/watchyourassets/pickens/index.html

So it doesn't exactly warm the cockles of my heart that he's making moves to monopolize the wind as well.

The public sector should be developing wind power and water resources for the public good, not for private profit.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/26/2008
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