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PUMA Crowd Courts Ridicule
Ms. Dowd strikes again, but this time she takes aim at the rogue HRC supporters, adding a new element. These anti Obama zealots, according to Dowd, have also sworn off ever voting for a man. How predictable for Maureen Dowd to make this turn, given her own 1950s world view still hasn't made the turn to the 21st century. Nevertheless, it's yet another swipe at the determined who long ago turned ridiculous.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that Barack Obama must continue to grovel to Hillary Clinton's dead-enders, some of whom mutter darkly that they will not only not vote for him, they will never vote for a man again.
Obama met for an hour Tuesday with three dozen top Hillaryites at a hotel here, seeking their endorsement and beguiling their begrudging. He opened the session by saying that he knew there had been frustration about what they saw as sexism during the primary.The Los Angeles Times reported that Hillary die-hards want to enshrine a whine in the Democratic platform about how the primaries "exposed pervasive gender bias in the media" and call on party leaders to take "immediate and public steps" to denounce any perceived bias in the future. That is one nutty idea. ...
No doubt the "dead-enders" phrase is going to make people mad. One of the first places it showed up was in a TNR headline. Because I was quoted in that article saying something completely different didn't matter. I got tagged with originating the slap, with insults and smears flying ever since she lost. So it's been for supporters in Clinton's reality based world who dared to do exactly what Clinton herself has done: support Barack Obama.
As one of the most ardent HRC supporters, which continues forward, though I now back Obama, all this hand wringing by former HRC supporters now turned anti Obama zealots, people who can't move on with grace, has now succeeded in nothing, except getting them a very bad name, while making themselves politically toxic, even to Hillary.
That these same people won't listen to reason isn't because it hasn't been offered and given in good faith. All that's needed for a new energy burst is a phrase or video to send them screaming outrage again. The denial they court is too seductive in an echo chamber that promises hope, but only delivers deceit by offering claims of something that will not come. Their political naiveté, turned to desperation, now brings only embarrassment since they're putting their own petty personal grievances before everything else, even Senator Clinton, while posturing that their anti-Obama zealotry is something it's not, which is obvious to see. They have also managed to take their cause and turn it into something that gets snorts of disrespect that resembles disgust from most Democrats, while Republicans smack their chops with anticipation, using them whenever the chance arises, which is whenever they're asked.
The other thing that's happened is that most of these rogue HRC supporters have become what they hated most. They are as bad or worse as the Obama supporters during the primaries who bombarded sites, especially this one, comment sections, hitting bloggers with vitriol and hate screed emails, including posts written by the unhinged comprised of such nonsensical gibberish that the vast majority of Democrats trying to turn the Republicans out have come to disrespect them completely.
Effectiveness dies when no one is listening and instead, what once might have been a mission has been made into a punch line or worse. A traffic driver at a time when summertime laziness slows everything down and people simply take advantage of the latest political train wreck in a season that stars Britney, Paris, and McCain campaign ads channeling Charlton Heston as Moses.
by Taylor Marsh
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We need a STRATEGY to get the die-hard Hillary supporters to look at the big picture. There are some who are not voting in the general election because they are still so angry. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to persuade them to vote Democratic?
When Clinton supporters "sit out" the election in protest they are voting for McCain.
Good post, Taylor, but I think you must include Bill and Hillary with the people who can't seem to move on. I understand that it is extremely difficult for them, but they're adults. They should be able to adjust a little better than they have after two months. If they can't bring themselves to move on, then they need to stay off the stage until they can. This is getting pretty pathetic.
Hillary's supporters have not been disrespected or "not recognized." She just lost. That's all.
Thank you, Taylor Marsh.
Taylor Marsh proves once more that being a reasonable human being in this world is a lonely calling.
I'm tired of PUMA having all the cool pejoratives like "Nobama" and "Oboyo" and "Obamalamadingdong."
Since all criticisms of Hillary are a priori "sexist," it's time we undermine the pretentious theme of this self-inflating grievance group. Hence, this musical interlude from "The Music Man":
"Shipoopi, Shipoopi, Shipoopi,
The girl is hard to get.
Shipoopi, Shipoopi, Shipoopi,
But you can win her yet."
PUMA = SHIPOOPI. Work the meme.
lolol I just spit coffee.
Puma = Shipoopi
I can't help you out here. The second part of the word Shipoopi is making my mind go to barnyard humor. I'll be good. :-)
Just don't think about the FIRST part of the word. ;-> It gets worse.
Okay I'll give you a hint. It involved words like "shovel" and "steaming" and "stepped in" and then I threw in a "flaming bag".
And now I will be really good.
Indeed, it is a "portmanteau" word with scatological roots. However, it's as ridiculous as "PUMA" on the surface, and seems to have the same meaning. Plus, it's attached to a kick-ass dance number.
If you can't criticize their candidate, you might as well mock their self-righteous rallying cry, and juvenile insistence on holding their breath till they turn blue.
Your article seeks to define the undefinable. PUMA is not a category that lends itself to labels. It's a general umbrella that signals a very clear and obvious Democratic Party problem. We no longer believe in the party line.
Equal pay ain't gonna happen. We'll be lucky to see an increase in minimum wage.
Democrats of the PUMA nature grew up this year. We saw what we never wanted to see.
You don't have to listen to us. You'll listen only when we don't vote Democrat.
Yep, yep...you are a transcendent movement of Political Light, pure and incorruptible.
You are the only True Patriots, and the only Real Adults.
The rest of us are brainwashed robots and sellouts, and the air will be thick with our mournful wails of regret and the gnashing or our teeth. Our children will rue the day we tried to run a popular candidate with only modest negatives and no association with our party's previous, scandal-plagued, butt-of-a-million-jokes President. And the ages will weep because, faced with a choice between two breakthrough nominees, we chose the Black Guy over the White Woman.
Bow. Yield. Kneel. PUMA!
We get it, Ann. But the truth is the whole "General Zod" posting shtick cheapens the message and inclines people to tune you out. Taylor is right -- the PUMAs present themselves as a group of enraged, aggrieved conspiracy-mongers who are willing to vote against themselves in order to make a point. They actively alienate the people they're trying to convert, and then frame every rejection as proof that they are right.
PUMAs have evolved from legitimate issues to self-parody. Interesting as performance art, but not a particularly effective approach to public activism.
Perfect analysis of these nutjobs. "It ain't over till we say it's over." SWEETIE, it's over. Unless you and your "movement" can retire HRC's debt, you're pissing in the ocean.
Rotwang to PumaAnn - This could not be said or illustrated better, Thank you.
HRC will likely suffer additional disfavor over her recent split tongue speech to her aggrieved supporters saying they should yell, scream and carry on at the convention and then move on. They should instead act like they understand the voting process by acknowledging that she lost and that means that she lost. Period. HRC put forth so many FALSE projections about how close the race was that these folks simply can not bear to hear the truth. She does not have 18 million supporters, her lost was not close, and they need to move forward or out of the way. Any ruckus at the convention will end her career for sure.
Undefinable = nonexistent
Taylor is such an obvious loyalist to the Democratic party. This is just sad.
Americans have a history of speaking truth to power. PUMA's are true core democrats and Americans.
1. Howard Deans deafening silence of the sexism that hammered Senator Clinton.
2. Pelosi's statement about "stepping in to stop this" in reference to the primary .
(Wasn't she around in 1980 when Sen. Ted Kennedy challenged incumbent President Carter and went to the convention with approx. 768 delegates? And while there he tried to get delegates to switch from Carter to him. (Rev. Jackson and Franklin Roosevelt also went all the way to the convention without the cacaphony of Democrats, Male Political Media, and political pundits trying to stop the democratic process.)
3. Kerry, Leahy, Dodd asking Hillary to step down either before a big win in a state.
Taylor has gone to the side of the Status Quo. No surprise, it's safe with the status quo. And even if you are female in a sexist power structure you can be rewarded.
PUMA speaks truth to power. And every girl in the United States did not deserve to see Hillary Nutcrackers in airport gift shops or listen to Olbermann talking about having a delegate take Hillary into a back room and then just he emerges. She also did not deserve listening to the female loyalists to the male political media talk about Senator Clinton's cleavage.
Sexism has no place in the democratic party or the democratic nominee, sweetie.
So, basically, your Grand Plan is to punish America for the Hillary nutcrackers, the stupidity of Chris Matthews and a very poor metaphor by Keith Olbermann.
Oh, and you want to punish the DNC for trying to avoid an extended fight for the nomination, which would have drained contributor funding, bloodied both candidates, divided the party and done the GOPs work for them.
On the other hand, HRC gets a free pass for her own dirty campaigning and attempts to rig the nominating rules.
Sorry. I understand your grievance. But I don't think you're "speaking truth to power" so much as you are "shooting truth in the foot."
The grand plan is to have a fair democratic convention that is not manipulated and controlled by the media. History will look back on this time with horror of how the irresponsibly the media behaved during this primary. They still report erroneous information on a daily basis - HRC conceded (no she didn't), O bama won the nomination (no he didn't), the Supers have voted (no they haven't). I don't blame the public for believing what they're told, but anyone with half a brain knows it's not true. By manipulating the outcome in the name of party unity they've made millions of people in the party very angry. They should have waited until the convention to call it LIKE THEY HAVE for every other primary election in history. Instead of getting mad at PUMA, hold the DNC and the media accountable. They are the ones that created this mess. If O loses it's because they were spineless and insecure about letting democracy take it's natural course.
Oh my God Obama called a white woman sweety. Oh the oppression, oh I'm going to faint....
Whatever happened to "it's the toughest job in the world" and "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
WHINERS.
Hey, you can win over other dems and liberals by proving your group actually has some clout. Easiest way to do that? Make a headline by saying "PUMAs have, in just one month, paid off HRC's entire campaign debt...'
You keep saying there are 18 million of you. So...each of you simply donates $1, and then we'll listen to you, the SD's will switch at the convention, and we will all have to accept Hilary as the nominee.
Not that complicated to achieve, actually. Provided you actually are a MOVEMENT, actually have 18 MILLION supporters, and aren't just a crazed echo chamber. I read your blogs. I know what I'm talking about.
Win over? Why does anyone have to win YOU over. I think it's quite the opposite.
The PUMAs paid off most if not all of her debt in July. The FEC doesn't report until Aug. 20th so keep ragging on it we don't care. If you search google you'll see article after article of vendors across the country being paid off. That is the only evidence I can offer short of sneaking into the FEC building.
i was not supporting her during the primaries, however she asked those women for unity and get behind her if they really support her. i believe those women are not democrates and the leader is a man who firing them with rhetoric. passion is one thing but when it becomes an obession it becomes dangerous. the media does not help either with the veep talk about why hillay needs to be on the ticket, no she does not . obama and hillary ar two strong personalities it would never work. putting her on the ticket would weaken him. if these women are true democrates they need to get behind obama with hillary and use those tactics to kick mccains butt. now that change we all can believe in.
peace
Great piece Taylor Marsh. I am really glad that more Clinton supporters are aware of the state that this country is in. We need change, and voting for John McCain as part of an anti-Obama movement, is not the answer.
That's why if I don't have the best candidate I'll take second best.
Obama is backed by big Ethanol. McCain has always beed against it.
Barack doesn't want to get rid of farm subsidies. McCain does.
Barack wants to increase Faith Based initiative. McCain does not and furthermore McCain is not into male religion as heavily as Barack.
Religion and politics don't mix.
Barack back-tracked on:
FISA (not only did he fail to lead a promised filibuster he voted for it!)
Public Financing
Town Hall MEetings
Oil Drilling.
Barack voted FOR Dick Cheney's evergy bill and McCain (and Hillary)voted NO.
Obama is not a core democrat.
I'll stick with McCain - for the sake of the country.
McCain is against affirmative action and MLK holiday. Oh I get it 'vote white'
Very VERY selective comparison of the two candidates to fit your preformed ideas. You make no mention of equal pay, coverage of Viagra but not birth control, McCain's commitment to appointing the "right" kind of supreme court justices, or Obama's bill in Illinois for equal pay, or Obama's new plan for working mothers (McCain? crickets), or McCain ditching his crippled first wife for a younger bustier blonde, who he just offered up for a biker beauty pageant, oh and
YOU FORGOT ONE VERY IMPORTANT VOTE: McCain and Hilary giving George Bush carte blanche to invade Iraq WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT! JUST CHARGE IT TO THE BANK OF CHINA! Yipee!
Very selective memory Alice. You need to try harder and come across as more rational to convince us you really were a part of the true CORE of democrats and not a privileged suburban soccer mom ideological sellout.
I admire what you're trying to do here, Ms. Marsh. And while I didn't share your enthusiasm for your candidate, I can respect that you are trying to honor what she represents to you.
But I will always wonder, while you were offering your site and your writing as a vehicle for drumming blind support for her, did it never occur to you that there were participants and readers who were capable of all this? Did you never feel uneasy? Are you truly surprised?
No one else is. We're just stuck with them. And you helped create them. I'm sorry, but you did.
What percentage of PUMA is black women? You need to limit whom u claim to represent: a minority of white women.
puma doesn't even know how many pumas there are. How do you expect a non-puma to know lol?
PUMA is a made up organization of a few Republicans.
The problem for 0 and his DNC is: no one knows how many PUMAs are out here; so no one knows what the PUMA effect will be in the GE. I think it is counterproductive for 0baminations to continue to bash Hill and her passionate supporters, bashing our former President and bashing those who fall under the PUMA concept umbrella. BTW: that umbrella covers many, many people......not just women. And those like myself....identify with Puma Ann, but are not officially in the group. I don't spew vitriol or hatred toward Mr. 0, like the 0bamanations continue to do toward anyone who isn't an ardent supporter of 0, but I continue to express why I didn't support him in the first place. Automatically calling anyone who doesn't him a racist is harming your candidate.
Come the GE, I personally do not know what I will do..........and I suspect many PUMA's don't really know either.
Yes, there is a AA PUMA group if that's what you're asking. I'm not sure what percentage overall are AA women.
We don't ask for race on the sign up sheet.
just level of bitterness...
Yes, very reflective of a less than admirable truth about second-wave feminist movement, much of which became all about getting white, educated women ahead and cutting loose everyone else (minority, poor, and uneducated women) in the process. Prior to this election cycle, I admired the second-wavers probabably more than any other group. This entire process, however, has really opened by eyes however to how incredibly self-involved and self-serving their brand of feminism and their fight against sexism has sometimes been. There are many amazing women in this group who do not fall into this group, and into PUMA brainwash bucket, so I certainly do not discount them or the amazing contributions they made that has allowed me as a third wave feminist to live my dreams, but for the others who have decided to punish everyone because they didn't get their way? Well, lets just say that I have been ecstatic to have them foolishly and unwittingly remove themselves from the process. By all means, sit at home on election day. PUMA members obviously don't have the intellectual maturity required to be responsible voters.
I have to give them credit. I've been to their site and have read what they've written. I'm not sure that their disgust is aimed so much at Barack than it is at the DNC. At this point, I'm thinking all they want, and what they've wanted since the beginning of the primaries is that the DNC play by the rules. They are upset that many in the party told Clinton to bow out early, though at the end...how many votes actually separated the two candidates. Now, they want to see her name put in nomination and according to the rules, a roll call be done. When all is said and done according to the rules...they would accept what is and your party could move on "unified."
In addition, perhaps Miss Marsh, you stated it plainly....."They are as bad or worse as the Obama supporters during the primaries ....."
Also, I must state that if you should actually look back at the "fairy tale" comment made by Bill Clinton, you'll see that there was an ugly lie started that made it appear Bill was racist. So much for your party appreciating what your President did for the country after Reagan and Bush. Your party tends to eat your young and throw many supporters under the proverbial bus when they are no longer of any use. When your party gets it together, perhaps more of us independents would be willing to join the so-called "movement."
That's a rather sanitized presentation of their position, stripped of the foaming rage and blood oaths to humiliate the "illegitimate" nominee and overthrow the "criminal" leadership of the DNC.
They also have no interest in unity, and will accept nothing less than a H*illary coup at the convention.
As for "playing by the rules," they didn't mind so much when HRC was gaming the system to her own advantage, so I would take their protests on that score with a large grain of salt.
INDmind: The "your party" comments you repeatedly made reveal who you are and where your true allegiance lies. Of course, you would be 'sympathetic' to anti-Obama sentiments. However, these Clinton deadenders vigorously promoted and supported HRC's refusal to "play by the rules" during the primaries. It is the height of hypocrisy that they now DEMAND respectful treatment and fair play when they have exhibited not one iota of it themselves. A skunk by any other name remains a skunk, and, regardless of what they call themselves or proclaim to justify their irrational behavior, they still reek to high heaven.
The rational, adult-faction of Clinton supporters long ago swallowed their disappointment and joined the ranks of loyal Democrats committed to defeating the Repubs in November, working hard to undo the damage of the last 8 years of GOP rule. Sen. Clinton and they are now supporting Sen. Obama and Dem candidates up and down the slate.
Thank you, Taylor Marsh, and the milllions of pro-Hillaryites who understand that this election is NOT about any one candidate, but about the survival of middle and working class Americans, and global collaboration for our world's survival.
Since only 60% of HRC supporters currently support O, that's quite a lot of irrational adults according to your logic. The OP is correct. There are bigger issues at stake than just O or HRC's campaigns - you miss the point. It's about the party's treatment or mistreatment of the voters and the manipulation of the primary. For the record, the vast majority of PUMA will vote Dem in the down ticket races.
The sexism in this post and the misinformation is here:
Miss is an outdated and sexist term
No other candidate has been resoundingly asked to bow out of a primary in the history of our country.
The cacophony was sexist.
Miss isn't sexist.
I have men refer to me as Miss (if they don't know that I'm married) all the time and I never give it a thought. It's given as a sign of respect and accepted as such. I appreciate the courtesy.
INDmind, I would be willing to consider your position if only it were more logical. As Taylor herself says in the above article, "That these same people won't listen to reason isn't because it hasn't been offered and given in good faith."
PUMAs must remember that Harold Ickes was present at the August 2007 meeting, and voted IN FAVOR of stripping the 100% of the delegates from MI and FL. So then they see him at the credentials meeting in May 2008, watch him play the world's smallest fiddle, and allow them to have their emotions manipulated.
Joe Scarborough and several other cable news pundits said, as late as December 2007, that Barack should just pack up and go home, that Hilary had it in the bag. But as soon as he actually wins in Iowa, and when Hilary doesn't wrap it up on Super Tuesday, facts start to go out the window, mud gets slung, etc. HRC's camp continually hammered the message "it's the toughest job in the world," but we now have to sit around and deal with the FEELINGS of disaffected HRC supporters who are NOT RATIONAL? It is, seriously, a dead-end situation.
PUMAs have painted themselves into a corner by self-selecting out of this process: despite whines they're being thrown "under the bus," the door is still open for them to get involved in a campaign that stands for equal pay, expansion of FMLA, and is pro-choice....
You just don't get IT!
Thoughtful post......INDmind. You have put some understanding into the problem within the Democratic party. Thanx!
The opposition to voting for Obama in November is less about Obama and more about the Democratic Party, who SELECTED Obama as their candidate despite having won fewer votes than Clinton. Wonder why the polls look so dismal for the self-annointed messiah right now? It's because more and more voters are seeing him for the empty flannel that he is. The purp[ose of PUMA is to reform the Democratic Party and that can only be done by refusing to reward it's behavior.
All of this rancor could have been avoided if Obama had honored his statement in 2006 that he wasn't ready to be President and had supported Clinton with an agreement to be her VP. Then in 4 or 8 years, he would have been ready and also would have been embraced by all Democrats. As it is not he stands as a candidate who has used the slogan of "unity" to split the party.
Wow you should read up on the election process. Anyone who meets the criteria can run whenever they want to run they do not need to wait in line because of some BS entitlement Hillary and supporters felt furthermore we elect people based on delegates not popular vote. Everyone knew this going in and now that Hillary didn't win everyone is calling it unfair. Give me a break.
Very good, mpdamon Couldn't have said it better myself.
You make it sound like he bumped her dinner reservation. They weren't holding a table for Hillary. Did you think they were?
He should have been her vp and 4-8 years later "he would have been ready", and should have done it in that order, because....you say so? Who are you to say so? Other than being a rabid Hillary supporter, what are your credentials? Do you have some sort of Ph.D in Candidate Selection?
You talk of "rewarding" the Democratic party. Are you it's mother? It does what you say no matter what anyone else wanted and voted for, and if the party is very, very good you won't spank it? I think this is the part where you tell it "You'll thank me for this someday."
There's an empty suit here alright.
I'd really love to have some clear idea of how numerous these people really are. That is, how many actual *Democrats* who previously supported Hillary Clinton are now seriously going to support McCain. My suspicion is that many of these so-called Democrats are really Republican trolls, but I can't say that for sure. I just don't see how you can be someone who truly agrees with Hillary Clinton on the issues and yet pull the lever for McCain. You'd be rejecting everything Hillary has worked to achieve in her years in politics.
And Ms. Marsh is exactly right about how damaging this could be to Hillary herself. Obama's supporters are an important segment of the Democratic Party, and if Senator Clinton has future ambitions, they will be ill-served if core Obama supporters (like African-Americans) perceive that Clinton partisans are harming Obama's chances of winning.
Check the Alexa site traffic statistics for hillaryclintonforum.net or pumapac.org or noquarterusa.net. On the Web, at least, the numbers are microscopic.
My admittedly amateur sleuthing seems to indicate fairly small memberships in these extremist, terrorist "organizations", also. Actually, I sort of enjoy their rants. I think that Harriet Christian's performance at the RBC meeting in May was a huge boost for Sen. Obama. The insanity of the PUMAS, NoQuarter, Hillaryis44, etc. highlight the calm, unifying, professionalism of the Obama campaign vs. the hatefilled, divisive ravings and tactics of his opponents.
Whether Obama wins or loses, and I believe he will win by a landslide, I feel proud to be represented by such a high-class Dem presidential nominee.
Actually I'm an older white granny Obama supporter. I am so disgusted w/ Hillary Clinton's conduct that I will never vote for her or any one who supports her ever again.
Why should she care. I'm a New Yorker & their are a lot more New Yorkers like me who are disgusted w/ her than there are Pumas. We're also smarter She really needs to pack it in now & go back to Arkansas. We've had enough of her.
Good for you. I also live in NY and feel exactly the opposite. I guess we'll never vote for the same people then. And you wonder why the party is split?
Clinton voted against Dick Cheney's Energy Bill and FISA.
Barack voted for both of these things.
Now, why exactly are you disgusted with Hillary?
Last time:
WE ARE NOT REPUBLICAN TROLLS. We formed groups during the overt sexism and the Hillary bashing on Daily Kos, DU and formed our own blogs.
The DNC, the media and the rest of you said so much horrendous sexist stuff including expecting her to drop out it was maddening.
Now read our lips:
1. Sen Ted Kennedy challenged President Jimmy Carter in 1980 and he went ALL THE WAY to the convention with far less delegates than Carter (about 768 delegates to Carter's 1981). While at the convention he then tried to get delegates to switch from Carter to him.
2. Rev. Jackson went ALL TEH WAY to the convention
3. Franklin Roosevelt went all the way to the convention and then got delegates to switch and he WON the nomination.
So, this is unprecedented. She was asked to leave by her own party.
so, we loyal democrats will not vote for the sexist (Sweetie) selected nominee. Get it.
We say Party Unity My A#$.
I am going back to the hillary blogs now because the people are better informed about history and more passionate about our democracy.
PUMA.
Is that a promise, or a promise?
In other words PUMA consists of a handful of blogs working for the Republican campaign.
read my lips..buh bye. Oh, and here's your nose, wipe up the blood on your way out, m'kay?
"how many actual *Democrats* who previously supported Hillary Clinton are now seriously going to support McCain."
Part of the problem in really finding out the depth of this 'movement' is that HP doesn't allow an honest discussion of what motivates those who do not want to support 0bama. Then you have the messiah worshipers, who believe the DNC propaganda, that this is a landslide year for Democrats. Well, the Dems. are noted for snatching defeat our of the jaws of victory. They are also known for eating their own. The GOP has named hundreds of buildings, ships, highways for their hero Reagan, who turns out to be a so-so president with a union busting reputation. Not the Dems, who throw their only 2 term president since FDR under the bus to elevate the status of an ambitious neophyte, who happens to be AA.
Doesn't seem like HuffPost is blocking you.
Your problem seems to be that others reject your assessment, and you don't understand why.
It's not a womens' movement, it's an anti-Obama movement only. They have no problem with McCain and his disgusting conduct toward both his first wife and his second wife. There is no mention of that on their websites.
A pollticians personal life is separate from politics (hello, Bill Clinton).
I am voting for McCain becasue he:
voted No onDick Cheney's Energy Bill
is against ethanol
is against farm subsidies
does not engage overt "male religion" dialogue in the face of politics
I am not voting for Barack because he :
voted for Dick Cheney's Energy Bill
is backed by ethanol
wants to keep farm subsidies
wants to increase Bush' s faith Based initiatives?
had a 19 year friendship with Tony Rezko who is in jail for campaign fraud.
The sexism in this primary came from Democratic voters, pundits, politicians. All of whom claim to be liberal.
So , you see sweetie, we're angry. And we are doing something about it.
Get over it my friend.
GRRRR! You're on the prowl, honey-bun!
If you think that the way a politician treats women in their private lives (McCain's treatment of his wives, laughing when HRC was called a b**ch, and all of Bill's womanizing) does not in any way inform or guide their women's rights policys, I question what plane of reality you might be living in. I personally could not have cared less about Bill's indescretions, but you should recognize that it very much hurt Hillary personally as well as professionally. Not only was she relegated to playing second fiddle to him for much of her adult political life when she should have been out there tearing down walls and ceilings, unencumbered by Bill's own ego and aspirations, but she was viewed very negatively by some during her campaign for having allowed herself to be abused and humiliated by him, and for her obviously inability to control his insatiable need to be at the stage center during much of her campaign.
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