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The War Over Teacher Evaluations Misses the Point

Posted: 12/22/11 10:26 AM ET

In recent months, both school districts and teachers unions have agreed that our current system of teacher evaluation is broken -- but just how to fix it has been the topic of bitter debate. In Los Angeles, UTLA, the union representing public school teachers, filed a lawsuit challenging the implementation of a pilot evaluation system that would use standardized test scores to measure student growth. But this month, the union decided to suspend their legal challenge -- at least for now -- and work with the district to improve and implement the new system. This is an important step forward for LA teachers and for LA children. We need an evaluation system that helps teachers like me understand what we're doing right, and what we need to improve upon. Student growth data should be a component of this system.

I moved to Los Angeles eight years ago to become a middle school math teacher because I believed I could make an impact on the lives of young people. In the years to come, my most memorable days were those in which I was able to see that impact taking place, whether it was helping a student who was far below grade level finally master his multiplication tables, or challenging an advanced learner to read and calculate in binary code. Ultimately this is the calling of every public school teacher: to attempt to make an impact on each of the incredibly diverse students who walk through our door.

Until very recently, any sense I had of my own efficacy as a teacher was either anecdotal or pseudo-statistical. Many former students drop by my classroom and express how much they learned there; nonetheless, state test results often showed that the highest scorers leaving my class were the same highest scorers who entered my class. It was difficult to measure exactly what impact my own teaching strategies were having.

In the last few years, school systems have begun to adopt models that are designed to measure how much value teachers add to their students' learning. At present, LAUSD is in the process of piloting a new teacher evaluation system that includes this controversial "value-added" component. The district plans to quantify teacher contributions to student learning through the use of student outcome data, using a model they are calling Academic Growth over Time (AGT). AGT, like most value-added models, is designed to measure a student's growth from year to year in comparison with the growth of similar students across the district. LAUSD hopes to eventually use this measure, combined with additional measures of teacher effectiveness, in teachers' evaluations. The concept of a metric designed to isolate the actual effects of teaching practices is intriguing, not only for me, but for the thousands of other teachers who have always known we've made an impact, but yearn to know how much.

Unfortunately, a lot of the outcry over this new evaluation system misses the point. While no evaluation system will ever be perfect, this should not keep us from moving forward to develop one that actually serves the teaching profession. As teachers, we know the importance of giving our students meaningful feedback on their work -- not as judgment, but as opportunity for improvement. This same attitude should be driving the development of teacher evaluation systems. By having better data available, LAUSD will be able to learn from their own teachers what practices are working and, in so doing, develop more meaningful professional development opportunities.

The conversation regarding how we use student growth data is certainly in its infancy, but it is absolutely the right conversation to be having. And let's be clear: there are still many unanswered questions regarding both the reliability and consequences of using such a measure. While I fully believe in the value of using student growth data, LAUSD must address both concerns around the accuracy of the metric and the potential unintended consequences that a test-based metric can create, such as the incentive to "teach to the test," or even (as we have seen unfortunately in some cases) to cheat. But these issues ought to be starting points for powerful conversations between districts, teachers, families, and the union about not only how we measure excellence, but what we do with the knowledge when we find out.

For example, given these concerns, might the district and the union be willing to use AGT initially as a very small (perhaps 5%) component of a teacher's overall evaluation? In future years, this weight could be increased as the district and union work together to improve the reliability of AGT, to develop systems that ensure the teaching of a deep and rich curriculum, and most importantly, to connect these scores to meaningful opportunities for professional development geared toward helping teachers like me become even more effective.

Making an impact for kids is the reason we joined this profession. A system that provides options and pathways to do exactly that is one that should excite any teacher.

By Kyle Hunsberger, Los Angeles Unified School District math teacher and Teach Plus Teaching Policy Fellow.

 

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11:13 PM on 12/27/2011
Hello All

I understand the positions each of you have taken come from a very emotional and personal space. I applaud that. For without passion, our profession would be nothing more than robots dumping information into a child's head (not happening). While I admire and share your passion, I encourage you to take a logical gaze into the current state of evaluation.

While reading the Widget Effect, I wasn't surprised to find that most of the teacher evaluation in our nation states that teachers are doing a wonderful job. My first year teaching was what my students refer to as a “hot mess”. I still received an above average evaluation in my first year. How was this possible? I knew I sucked. My colleagues knew I sucked - granted, they saw potential, but they knew it. Was my boss the only person who didn’t see it? I think my evaluation fell into the culture of “niceness” in schools. The same “niceness“ we afford our kids when we want to help them get rid of that math phobia has crept its way in our evaluation systems. The problem with the “niceness” invading our domain is that there is no room for it there. We are professionals. We are putting our skills and practices into action to help kids learn. They don't have time for our niceness.

Aren’t students worth finding out who is a good teacher and finding ways to duplicate those practices? I think so, and I hope you agree.
05:14 AM on 12/26/2011
This continues to be a right-wing ploy to privatize everything in the public sector. If this approach were so effective then why isn't it used in any of the systems of the highest scoring countries in the world like Finland, Japan, Denmark or South Korea?

Bill Gates should be ashamed of himself considering how many thousands of times my Microsoft Windows programs have crashed, failed, had "fatal errors" or needed constant updating over the last sixteen years. If any of these computers had been a car, they would have immediately qualified for replacement under the California Lemon Law. This approach to teacher evaluation is just another lemon.
noahmarder
Exposing the regressive lies, one by one
01:40 AM on 12/25/2011
Teachers complain, and rightfully so, that they shouldn't be held responsible for circumstances that are out of their control. A properly implemented value added metric, however, would greatly reduce that effect as compared to traditional methods. If a class starts a school year three grade levels behind in reading (I am averaging each individual student here), and by the end of the year, that class is one level behind, the teacher should be commended. If, on the other hand, a class starts a year at grade level, and by the end of the year, they are one level behind, that teacher should probably be criticized instead. A value added metric would reach the same conclusion, while traditional metrics would rate them equally.

There are of course, extenuating circumstances where even this model could be unfair. If a class has an unusually broad spectrum of ability from student to student, a teacher can't be expected to teach all of them effectively. The fault would lie with the administration for forming the classes improperly. If many individual students have problems that begin during a single year and all have the same teacher, that teacher will be unfairly penalized. If a teacher, however, gets low value added metric scores for most of his classes over several years, he is probably doing a poor job.

What I would like to see, if teachers don't like this idea, is how THEY would like to be evaluated.
tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
05:46 PM on 12/25/2011
The current system where the principal or vice principal comes into your room 3 times a year is plenty.

Like I said below, the teacher submits a lesson plan that explains how it will meet the required criteria (content objective also known as the standard, language objective, how learning will be assessed, details of the plan for the entire period, how the plan will meet agreed upon annual learning goals and accomodations for english language learners and special ed students) at the pre-evaluation meeting where the evaluator reviews the information and reccommends suggested changes.

The evaluator (principal or vice principal) watches the teacher for the period and scores the teacher bsed on the criteria set in the pre-evaluation.

Afterwards, the evaluator and the teacher sit down and review what the evaluator saw and assigns a rating. Later the teacher submits answers to questions in writing and the stack of papers are signed and placed into the teachers file.

The only change I would like to see happen would be that a senior teacher (preferrably in the subject area) perform at least one of the evaluations.
noahmarder
Exposing the regressive lies, one by one
08:17 PM on 12/25/2011
If this system worked, I would have no problem with it. Objectively, however, very, very few teachers are fired, or even reprimanded, for poor performance. Also, the teacher certainly knows when he is being watched, and may teach differently during the evaluations. As with any profession, there are some poor performers who need to improve, or else make way for someone better.

I personally think that incompetent principals and other administrators are a bigger problem than incompetent teachers, so I don't think trusting them to do evaluations is the right strategy. In fact, I would subject principals to the same metrics as the teachers, averaging an entire school rather than individual classes, and of course accounting for demographics.

Do you have any criticisms of the value added metrics themselves, or do you just want to avoid additional evaluations in general?
tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
02:01 PM on 12/24/2011
Most private sector workplace evaluations are subjective. That is, the general manager or boss asks the project managers how so and so has been performing this year. The boss asks the managers what they see the employees weaknesses and strong points are based on their observation. The boss asks the general manager if the employee is ready to take on more responsibilities.

At least that is the evaluation process I had as a geologist working for engineering firm for ten years. Those that tell you otherwise are either blatantly lieing or haven't worked a day in their lives.
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roaddawg31
03:52 PM on 12/24/2011
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT taz. This is the problem: Teachers refuse to be evaluated by traditional methods, so this is the reason we get where we are now: where strict data and protocols must be used. You always hear teachers refuse traditional means of evaluation like you illustrate, and I honestly don't know the reason. Usually, THEY'll say they dont want administrators with an ax to grind, etc. to determine their employment. Well you know what: deal with it.

Now that we're moving in this direction (standardeized tests as a measure), they want something else... the bottom line being, they don't want to be evaluated at all! Well that's too bad: You've made your bed, now lie in it! I have NO sympathy for the teachers in this case.
tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
04:40 PM on 12/24/2011
Huh? Most private sector worlplaces do not conduct detailed data driven evaluations of employees in the way that ed reformers and conservatives say they do. As ateacher I receive 3 formal evaluations and 2 informal evaluations that require meetings with the principal before and after the evaluations. During the pre-evaluation meeting I have to complete a full lesson plan outlying how I will meet the state required criteria, during the post evaluation meeting we discuss the principal's observations made during the lesson in the classroom. Afterward I must type a response to any and all questions the principal may have posed. After that is done, the pricipal and I sign the stack of paperwork and puts it into my file. Each formal evaluation process (3 per year) takes about one week. Don't give me this crap that teachers don't get evaluated.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
11:32 PM on 12/24/2011
"Teachers refuse to be evaluated by traditiona­l methods..."
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What are you talking about?

1. We can't "refuse" to allow evaluations. We have bosses. They have a job to do.

2. Teachers have always been evaluated. I've always had administrators in my room, watching my lessons, asking for my plans, checking into my paperwork, in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and up to this year. So did my parents in the 40s and 50s and 60s and 70s.

3. Anything else you have to say is as probably just as invented. Thanks for the fiction.
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rdsathene
Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire
12:07 PM on 12/24/2011
Mr. Hunsberger, when you say "I fully believe in the value of using student growth data," do you mean as a diagnostic process or a part of high-stakes decision making including evaluations? There's no nuance there, one would inform teaching practice, the other (with all its inherent inaccuracies) would be used as a sword of Damocles threatening careers and reputations. While the latter is valuable to those that are wont to undermining public education, it certainly doesn't elevate the profession, which is seemingly your stated motive.

Moreover, when you say: "LAUSD must address both concerns around the accuracy of the metric," you demonstrate a true gift of understatement. Can you or your astroturf group produce a single peer reviewed study from a legitimate source demonstrating VAM/AGT being accurate even 85% of the time? Even 85% would be woefully unacceptable for high stakes decisions, but I ask rhetorically knowing that you cannot produce such a study. I write alongside and correspond with most of the experts in this field. I am aware of all the research on VAM/AGT, and the only "work" I've ever seen touting its value are policy papers from reactionary right-wing think-tanks, many of whom share the same funders as your vile astroturf organization, Teach Plus. Coincidence? I think not.
07:37 AM on 12/24/2011
It just gets down to the fact that teachers don't want to be held accountable.
10:50 AM on 12/24/2011
Wrong. We want to be held accountable for things that we can change. We don't want to be held accountable for the bad parenting that many of our students have to deal with.
03:16 PM on 12/24/2011
So name a single profession that controls all inputs....

I will wait for your response....
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roaddawg31
03:57 PM on 12/24/2011
You "want to be held accountable for things we can change". Like you mean the education of a student in your classroom over 180 days??!

Look, no one's saying that kids don't come from bad home environments. But teachers DO have the ability to affect students in their classroom... you do realize that don't you? This wouldn't be an issue, if teachers simply let their performance be evaluated with subjective, common sense ways. Because they refuse (e.g. because "the administrator has it in for me"), we are where we are at--a bad method of evaluation (yes, I think tests are a small, rigid way of evaluation).

But we have been painted in this corner, because teachers say no to every other method.
12:00 PM on 12/24/2011
...for parenting.
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cjaco
03:59 PM on 12/23/2011
Another shill for the privatization, market-based agenda. Data at a 25% error rate gathered from one exam that was never meant to disaggregate teacher effectiveness (according to the test makers) is not "reform" - it's imbecilic. I'd like to know which school in LAUSD this teacher works and what his AGT score is. After 14 yrs., I quit teaching English this year over this nonsense - and my average AGT scores were 4.8 of 5 (so according to this agenda, I was a great English teacher).
07:28 AM on 12/24/2011
I did notice your excellent sentence structure and spelling. Good luck with the future, it's going to be hard to replace a job like that.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
03:33 PM on 12/23/2011
As a math teacher, you should know that reliable numbers for student growth will NEVER be possible. There are far too many intervening variables which affect student learning that cannot be controlled for: student interest, IQ, health, learning problems, behavior, home issues, class size, attendance record, etc., etc. There is no algorithm that accurately accounts for ANY of the differences which have an enormous impact on outcomes.

Even in-school issues cannot be solved. Tell me how you will evaluate student growth in art class. Explain how you can compare a SPED inclusion class with 12 students, 2 of whom are on IEP's, with a SPED inclusion class of 25 students, with 10 on IEP's. Explain how you will evaluate the "AGT" for the foods class, or for PE.

The only content where you can approximate this kind of evaluation is math, and even there the variables are far too tangled to come up with a teacher number that is accurate even to one digit.

"Value added" requires teachers to accept an unproven evaluation on faith. I'm not willing to put my faith in such a bogus construct.
07:31 AM on 12/24/2011
He also knows that errors are typically normally distributed, so underestimates of one child are likely to be compensated by overestimates of another child. One child who has a bad learning environment is offset by one who has an exceptional environment.

Teachers will always try to hide from accountability......so it goes.
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blindjester
English and ESL teacher
10:03 AM on 12/24/2011
Only if the groups are assigned at random, and the sample is of sufficient size.

Neither is the case.

Non-teachers will always try to pretend they know what they don't.
10:58 AM on 12/24/2011
Really? So my class of 6 IEP students, 4 ELLs, 3 behavior, 2 homeless, 7 'regular' students is going to be compensated somewhere? All my students are urban, many are either first gen American or immigrants. Many don't speak English at home or read at home. Often times they're dealing with problems that no 4th grader should have to deal with. 75% of the students in our school get free or reduced lunch.

My class was not assigned at random, these students were lumped together so that the special needs teacher and the ELL teacher could provide services to them easier. My scores will be lower because of my student population than other teachers in the same school. Our schools scores will be lower than a school in a suburban area because of the population. Evaluate me on my teaching, not on their scores.
03:31 PM on 12/23/2011
I have been teaching at a South Central middle school for the last 18 years. I adore my kids, and they always excel on the CST. However, I am deeply concerned, on many levels, that the increased focus on testing has brought to education, and it's impact in our classrooms. Here is the list:
1. My students did an outstanding job on the CST last year. However,I feel like I cheated them out of a wonderful learning experience. Instead, I had to focus more on the state standards than exploring creative writing, poetry workshops, and literature circles. You see, this type of learning doesn't cover the standards. For example, the standards want students to simply identify different forms of poetry. Forget them learning how to create their own poems. No time for that!
2. My students lives are difficult. They come into my classroom with huge issues. I don't care what people like Bill Gates say. These life experiences do affect how they learn.
3. A good teacher KNOWS when their students are learning.
4. There is a lot of research out there that has debunked the effectiveness of creating a testing culture. Please do some research on the Finnish educational system.
5. The Value Added approach is riddled with flaws. And don't even try to tell me that it isn't!

I am really curious to know who has been evaluating you. My evaluations, since effective administrators have been hired, have been full of insightful and constructive feedback.
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
12:24 AM on 12/24/2011
There are great administrators, even in LAUSD. I have about 50/50 but can tell you there are very few fair, creative and dedicated suits working above principal posts there. The good guys don't want to be promoted or quickly get back to a school when they are. You sound like a fine teacher. I have unbend in that area and my school is not far from there. But teaching middle school in SC is a tough assignment. Affection and earnest go a lLong way with those kids as these are rare. A am really happy to know they have you. Please protect yourself by getting some insights about the system Visit www.perdailly.com
07:34 AM on 12/24/2011
In all careers (except teaching) your students will be "tested." That is, they will need to combine their skills (en toto) to solve/resolve some problem.

Teaching them to deal with stress is the reality of most of life.
tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
01:46 PM on 12/24/2011
I've worked in the private sector as a geologist for engineering firms. Not once in my ten years as a geologist did I come close to being evaluated as much as I do now as a science teacher. My private sector evaluations came once a year where I sat down in my manager's office and we talked about how the year went and what I'd like to do in the future, and by the way, you will be getting a 2% raise. There was no data, it was purely subjective.

Quit lying like a rug.
11:21 AM on 12/23/2011
Value added approaches to evaluating student progress and/or teacher effectiveness has been discredited, yet you make it sound like this approach is the "answer" teachers have been waiting for (or should be waiting for). In a long letter to the NY Board of Regents, over 300 principals spelled out in compelling detail why this approach will not work (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet). Could your organization be yet another front for the so-called corporate education reformers?
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
03:43 PM on 12/23/2011
BINGO! Here are there partners. Notice the National Partners. While Teach Plus might be non-profit, you can bet there are some for profits in their partners hoping to cash in on the "reform" process. You can also see where they get their value added ideas; just look at the partners.

National Partners
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Carnegie Corporation of New York
Anonymous

Boston Partners
The Boston Foundation
W.C. & J.V. Stone Foundation
Boston Public Schools
Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education
Anonymous

Indianapolis Partners
The Mind Trust
The Joyce Foundation
Central Indiana Community Foundation
IU Health
Ayres Foundation

Chicago Partners
The Joyce Foundation
W.C. & J.V. Stone Foundation
Chicago Public Education Fund
Illinois State Board of Education

Memphis Partners
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Los Angeles Partners
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
The Wasserman Foundation

Washington, D.C. Partners
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
CityBridge Foundation

T3 Partners
EdVestors
Richard and Susan Smith Family Foundation
Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education
Shippy Foundation
Anonymous
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
12:28 AM on 12/24/2011
It is. This is a Broads & Gates' thing. Broad has hand picked and trained close to50% of our administrators at LAUSD, emphasizing the removal of teachers as their focus.
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10:09 AM on 12/23/2011
The premise of this piece is inaccurate. Nothing is in its "infancy"; data-driven accountability methods were formulated many decades ago by people who had and have specific goals. The practice of framing a subject as "new" is an aged political tactic which I don't trust. Additionally, I know better than to accept certain outcomes as unintended consequences. History does not begin with last Tuesday.
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GlennWatson
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09:32 AM on 12/23/2011
If the teachers with difficult students are punished for having difficult students then the system is unfair and counterproductive.
11:00 AM on 12/24/2011
Exactly, noone would want the special needs, ELL and behavior kids in their classrooms.
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GlennWatson
Two million fans
11:12 AM on 12/24/2011
Of course teachers rarely get any say in what kids they get.
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gremlin1
Compulsive lyer.
04:46 PM on 12/25/2011
I teach in an alternative high school. My students are among the most challenging in my urban district. We are held to the same standards as all the other high schools when it comes to meeting AYP. When we lag far behind we are threatened and punished. I'm very good at my job and I enjoy working with my students. However, I feel I am being punished for choosing to teach these children. At what point, for the sake of self-preservation, will I feel the need to give up on them and move to school with a less challenging population? When/if that happens, who will teach my students?
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GlennWatson
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09:54 PM on 12/25/2011
I see your problem. I don't understand why politicians and education experts don't.
07:26 AM on 12/23/2011
Wow. As a rhetorical strategy, dismissing the very real reasons that test scores shouldn't be included in teacher evaluations offhandedly, as "starting points for powerful conversations" instead of the deal-breakers they are is sort of effective. You acknowledge reality, but claim it doesn't matter.

But it remains reality. Student standardized test scores are affected by other factors much more strongly than teaching, and even the huge classes seen in inner-city schools are too small a sample size to judge teachers on the small influence they've got on the scores. Really, we could accomplish the same result much more cheaply if we just introduced a random number into teacher evaluations.

But we'd be better off evaluating them on whether they're good teachers. Student test scores don't help with that.
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
12:30 AM on 12/24/2011
Especially when the kids have no buy in and focusing on the test undermines our mission to teach.
09:24 AM on 12/24/2011
If I want to know about what you're doing, I'm going to look at what you're doing. I'm not going to look at how somebody else responded to it.
MsLovePeace
My Micro Bio is Empty
11:06 PM on 12/22/2011
Where do you teach? You don't have a published value added ranking as you are a middle school teacher. You also might not be aware of your colleagues' rankings as middle school teachers have not had their rankings published. This makes it harder to judge the value of the value added rankings. If you were to find that they correlate exactly with your direct classroom experience with specific colleagues, then I might understand YOUR faith in these rankings. Although I would still argue that different schools have different variables, depending on the amount of support students are receiving from parents or even City Year corp members.
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
12:31 AM on 12/24/2011
Why don't middle schools have a rank? Coukd it be social promotion? Then HS teachers answer to the missed remediation, right? How's that fair?
08:35 PM on 12/22/2011
As a teacher, I agree that feedback is necessary for improvement to take place. But, test scores give no valuable feedback and should therefore be left out of an evaluation system. Period.
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Ariel Bonzai
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12:39 AM on 12/24/2011
There could be tests that do work.if we began with formative assessments then had exams at the end of the year, we would see some of the teachers' strengths and weaknesses. But the exam has to be adapted around the first's data to address the unique synergy each group presents. It's problematic to assume one size fits all. I think these philathropists have serious OCD or other issues that render them unfit to oversee the education of poor children. I can compare the post of the math teacher at MS in csiuth central to the blog and tell you 15 reasons why one is a good teacher and the other is not effective, if he or she actually teaches. I'd say most math teachers are not that verbal but Blind Jester is proof I am probably wrong.