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A Good Knife Starter Set

Posted: 04/20/2012 9:24 am

The Splendid Table's How To Eat Supper by Lynne Rossetto Kasper

Dear Lynne,

I need a starter set of good knives for my blossoming 17-year-old chef. She dreams of having her very own. Your help figuring this out would be welcome because I am seeing single knives for $15 and ones for $300. I don't want to give her poor quality but no way can we afford these high-end knives. Are there any quality knives that are inexpensive?

Hal in Austin

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Dear Hal,

Without a doubt there are good knives for modest money. New knife technology's taken knives no serious cook would touch years ago into the pro's class.

As a starter set for her I suggest the two knives every chef begins with -- a three-and-a-half to four-inch paring or utility knife, and a seven to eight-inch chef's knife.

With the paring knife she can slice, peel, bone and fillet. With the chef's knife she'll mince, chop, dice and even carve like a pro. Later you can add others.

One of the brands I've test driven for a long time, and one that gets high marks from professionals for its price-quality ratio is the Forschner Victorinox's Fibrox line. Their chef knives are in the $30 range and paring knives as low as $7. If she's anything like me, she'll still be using these knives years from now. Even with those three-figure knives ready and waiting in my knife block (my profession was the excuse for the splurges), these two usually end up by sink waiting to be washed.

Along with them, get her the perfect knife sharpener for beginners, the AccuSharp knife and tool sharpener. It uses sharpening pieces that are preset at the correct angle so you can't ruin your blades, and costs about $15.

Find everything on Amazon and other sites.

One last thing, caution her to never ever put a knife in the dishwasher, it ruins the blade's tempering. Hand wash and dry it as you go.

Here's a recipe she can practice on to try out her knife skills. It's a good Sunday night supper, too. The list of ingredients might give you pause, but trust me, the salad comes together easily. Cook the eggs ahead of time and store them in the refrigerator. And do the same with the dressing.

Salad of Sweet Peas and Lettuce Ribbons with 65ºC Eggs
20 to 30 minutes prep time; 3 hours unattended stove time
Serves 6 to 8

Cook the eggs up to 3 days ahead and store them in the refrigerator. Up to 3 days ahead make the dressing up to adding the fresh herbs and chill. Fold in the herbs before dressing the salad.

This salad tastes like early summer to me -- sweet, herbal and fresh. When you thin slice two kinds of peas and toss them with spring greens and a creamy spring onion dressing, all sorts of gentle contrasts start playing against each other. The unique taste and texture of the 65ºC egg works beautifully here, too.

This mysterious sounding egg became the darling of French chefs awhile back as one of the experiments in modernist cuisine. But it really dates back to biblical times when eggs were baked overnight in a dying fire's embers.

There's not much to it. You put whole, unshelled eggs on the rack of an oven set at 149ºF (65º Celsius). Leave them to bake for 3 hours or so and then cool them. If your oven's off by a few degrees, not to worry. The baked eggs will be almost creamy yet nearly firm, with yolks like thick custard, quite unlike any egg you've tasted.

Eggs:
6 large eggs

Dressing (makes about 2 cups):
1 large garlic clove, minced
1/3 cup cider or wine vinegar, or to taste
1 tablespoon coarse-ground dark mustard
Salt and fresh-ground black pepper to taste
2/3 cup buttermilk
1/2 cup mayonnaise, or to taste
¼ cup good tasting extra-virgin olive oil
2 tight-packed tablespoons each fresh basil and parsley leaves, torn
Green tops of 5 large scallions, thin sliced

Salad:
½ medium red onion, thin sliced and soaked in ice water 20 minutes.
4 handfuls (1/3 to ½ pound) sugar snap peas, trimmed and strings removed
4 handfuls (1/4 to 1/3 pound) snow pea pods, trimmed and strings removed
1 medium head Bibb or Boston lettuce
4 tender romaine leaves
3 big handfuls (about 5 ounces) baby arugula or 3 big handfuls spring mix
½ cup sliced almonds, toasted

1. Up to 3 days ahead, bake the eggs as directed in the recipe's introduction. Refrigerate until about 30 minutes before serving. Then shell gently under cold, running water. Dry and cut each egg in half from top to bottom.

2. For the dressing combine the garlic, vinegar, and salt and pepper in a large bowl. Let stand 20 minutes to mute the garlic's heat, then whisk in the remaining dressing ingredients, except the herbs. Taste for a balance between tartness and creaminess. Refrigerate until 40 minutes before serving. Then fold in the herbs.

3. Shortly before serving, make the salad by chilling the onions to get rid of their bite. Stack up the peas on a chopping board and thin slice them crossways at an angle so you have 1/16-inch wide by maybe 1-1/2-inch long shreds. Then stack the Bibb or Boston lettuce leaves and the romaine, and slice them into ¼-inch wide ribbons.

4. In a large bowl, toss the peas and all the salad greens together. Lightly salt and pepper them as you toss. Add about 2/3 cup dressing to light coat the leaves. Streak each of six dinner plates with a few tablespoons of the dressing. Then heap the salad on each plate, tuck in two egg halves on each plate and scatter the salads with almonds. Serve quickly to have the salad in its prime.

 

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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:25 AM on 05/29/2012
BTW, another thing to keep in mind is to only use the knives on the correct surfaces.

NEVER cut on the following surfaces: Granite, Glass, Formica (or other hard laminate), Hard Plastic (usually clear acrylic or polycarbonate), Dishes, Metal, or Enamel. These surfaces will very quickly ruin a knife.

This is probably the #1 way home cutlery is damaged and results in the most dissatisfaction with knives. I would also avoid hard wood if the side of the grain is visible.

ALWAYS use a cutting board made of either end-grain wood or soft plastic (usually opaque with a waxy apperance).
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
12:50 AM on 05/29/2012
"Along with them, get her the perfect knife sharpener for beginners, the AccuSharp knife and tool sharpener."

Really have to disagree. Sharpeners like those are really best used for garage tools or items where the blade edge needs a lot of reshaping.

When it comes to sharpeners, anything with carbide edges should be avoided at all costs. Be very wary of anything touting "diamond" material as well, this tends to be very aggresive and not needed for good cutlery. Avoid anything you have to pull along the edge or pull the edge along like the crossed ceramic rods.

Instead, look for a good set of alumina silicate (AKA ceramic) rods set into a base to make an open V shape, preferably one with a couple angle settings like 25/17 or 22/15 and containing medium and fine rods (usually grey and white respectively). There used to be a good set from Idahone which was not expensive. These should ONLY be used if you cannot bring the edge back with a steel or you get a ding in the edge.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:05 AM on 05/29/2012
That brings me to the next item for sharpening -- a steel. You may want two, one medium and one fine. RESIST the temptation to act like the TV chefs who just seem to flail the knife over the steel without a care. Until you master the use of a steel, it is not a bad idea to get a piece of wood and have someone drill holes in it at the correct finishing angles and stick the steel into the holes in the wood. This allows you to keep the blade vertical and pretend that you are slicing the steel. Use of the steel will restore minor dulling.

Another useful tool for getting that hair popping sharp edge is a strop (yes, for those who do not know, that is the correct spelling -- look it up). Avoid the barber-chair style strop of old -- they take a good bit of skill. Instead, look for a strop mounted on a board. Some will have leather on one side and canvas on the other. They will usually come with some stropping compound. This would be used to clean up an edge after honing on ceramic rods. A strop is hardly a necessary item though and is really only needed for the absolutely keenest of edges -- something most chefs really do not need.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
12:30 AM on 05/29/2012
"One last thing, caution her to never ever put a knife in the dishwasher, it ruins the blade's tempering."

Um... no.

The temperature in most dishwashers does not get hot enough to affect the tempering nor the hardening of the blade. The biggest issues are that dishwashing chemicals are quite harsh, the blades get bounced around a lot, the handle material gets loose as it and the metal expand to heat at different rates, and chemical laden water can get into the handle and start corroding the tang.

For these reasons, handwashing is the way to go, not because of tempering.
08:57 PM on 04/23/2012
I'd go to a restaurant supply store - you can find some good, very useable knives at a good price. I am partial to Hoerschner (sp? - I have a 12" chef's knife that I've had since college restaurant jobs) and Global/Mundial. I'd get an 8" chef's and a 3-4" paring and a steel. That would be a good start.
07:27 PM on 04/22/2012
the knives mentioned are good knives. almost all good quality knives will come in different grades of construction. Myself, haviving been a chef for 26 years, will always instruct new cooks to look for the following things when purchasing knives:
1) Get a knife that you can see the "tang", the metal part running through the handle.
2) Get a knife that has a full tang, meaning it runs completely through the handle.
3) Make sure the handle has at least 3 rivits attaching the handle through the tang.
The second thing I will always show new cooks is the proper way to hold a knife.
Grip the blade with your thumb and forefinger. The knife now becomes an extention of your hand and will give you greater control and reduce the chance of the knife "rolling" while using it.
You will find that you will develop a blister on your forefinger where the top of the blade makes contact. This will eventually turn to a callous, which any experianced cook will have. A mark of the trade we all all proudly wear!!!!
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
12:23 AM on 05/29/2012
I will disagree about the tang and rivets. I am not a chef, but I do know a good bit about knives. While having an exposed tang has been vogue for many years so you know the tang is full length and not a rat tail style, having it exposed is a perfect place for corrosion, bacteria, and contaminents to hide. Same for rivets. I would much rather see a knife with a xray or cut away demonstrator to show a 3/4 to full tang, but have the tang completely enclosed. The fewer points of entry which need to be sealed, the better. With modern materials, the need to see an exposed tang and rivets to show a knife's strength is largely a thing of the past.
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gbrond23
04:39 PM on 04/22/2012
Hate to say it, but the Japanese also make the best knives now, even surpassing the German variety, and like those, they don't come cheap either... The article is accurate about starting with the two sizes. They will do almost everything one would ask of them.
03:10 PM on 04/22/2012
Don't laugh at me. I own lots of knives, some expensive some not so expensive. I find myself really liking the kitchen knife set by IKEA. I think they're the perfect starter set for anyone. Called Slipad, they come with a knife holder and they're only $9.99.
12:27 PM on 04/22/2012
With Quality knives a " Honing Steel" is an essential tool. My set is a combination of Wustoff and Grandma's
10:19 AM on 04/22/2012
a GOOD knife sharpener is the best investment
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:10 AM on 05/29/2012
Yep. With a good sharpener and a little skill, one can put a great edge on a mediocre knife and it will perform quite well. Use a poor sharpener on a great knife and you basically have an expensive letter opener.
Al Schrader
Don't limit your potential
09:49 AM on 04/22/2012
I've prepared entre's for more than 100,000 guests including Hillary Clinton, astronauts, you name it.
You really only need two knives to do 99% of everything . A full size chef's knife and a paring knife.
The best chef's knife there is, is called a Waverex made by Ecko. They are no longer made, but you can find them at yard sales, or estate sales, etc. Almost any paring knife will do and of course you must include a good sharpening steel. Always sharpen a paring knife before you use it. The Waverex is self sharpening. If you can't find a Waverex, what you are looking for in a good chef's knife is; a good strong thin blade, comfortable handle, corrosion proof....Al-
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qsfoxx
still chasing the wascally wabbit...
08:55 AM on 04/22/2012
A number of years ago cuttlery was tested by Consumer Reports, and the relatively inexpensive ($25)Ginsu knife set (then manufactured in Fremont OH by the Quikut Div. of the Scott Fetzer Co.) ranked right up there close to the high-end brands. In fact, the Ginsu paring knife was actually deemed to be as good as any of the ones tested despite costing about a dime to produce.
08:15 AM on 04/22/2012
I like the Sabatier knives. I find them to be of excellent quality but a reasonable price. My 2 favorites are the smaller chef's knife and something they call the tomato knife. Lucky for me there is an Sabatier outlet store that I pass on I-95 on my way from Florida to Ohio.