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Conservatives vs. Liberals: More Than Politics

Posted: 02/ 8/2012 8:11 am

The following is an excerpt from The Age of Austerity: How Scarcity Will Remake American Politics.

The contest for power between Democrats and Republicans pits two antithetical value systems against each other; two conflicting concepts of freedom, liberty, fairness, right, and wrong; two mutually exclusive notions of the state, the individual, and the collective good.

A wide range of academic scholarship exploring political belief-formation reveals that those who identify themselves as politically conservative, for example, exhibit distinctive values underpinning their world view and their orientation towards political competition.

Conservatives, argues researcher Philip Tetlock of the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, are less tolerant of compromise; see the world in "us" versus "them" terms; are more willing to use force to gain an advantage; are "more prone to rely on simple (good vs. bad) evaluative rules in interpreting policy issues;" 1 are "motivated to punish violators of social norms (e.g., deviations from traditional norms of sexuality or responsible behavior) and to deter free riders." 2

Some of these conservative values can be discerned in public opinion data.

In one September 2010 survey question, The Pew Research Center asked voters, "If you had to choose, would you rather have a smaller government providing fewer services, or a bigger government providing more services?" White Republican men chose a smaller government by a 92-7 margin and white Republican women made the same choice by an 82-12 margin. Conversely, white Democratic men chose bigger government by a 53-35 margin and white Democratic women by 56-33. This is an ideological gap between Republicans and Democrats of 57 points among white men and 49 points among white women. 3

Along similar lines, Pew asked voters to choose between "Most people who want to get ahead can make it if they're willing to work hard" and "Hard work and determination are no guarantee of success for most people." White Republican men and women both picked "hard work" by decisive margins of 78-21 and 73-24, respectively. White Democratic men and women, in contrast, were far more equivocal, supporting hard work by modest margins of 52-44 and 53-43. 4

These Pew findings demonstrate that the differences of opinion between liberals and conservatives are far greater than the differences in opinion between men and women commonly referred to as the gender gap.

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The Pew questions are designed to test opinion on public policy issues. The strength of the Pew surveys and other comparable, well-designed polls is that the sample is carefully selected to be representative of either the general public or of all voters. The limitation of such surveys is that they are not designed to reveal more subtle distinctions that can be equally or more significant.

This less easily answered question has been explored by a team of academic researchers collaborating at a website -- www.YourMorals.org -- designed to test a variety of theories about the connection between views on morality and politics. Jonathan Haidt and Nicholas Winter of the University of Virginia, and Ravi Iyer of the University of Southern California, have collected and systematized very large numbers of responses to questions designed to elicit new information about political values orientation. Haidt et al. have ranked responses to a set of online public opinion surveys to show where self-described liberal/moderates differ most sharply from conservative/moderates. The strength of the YourMorals.org surveys lies in the large number of respondents; the weakness grows out of the fact that the participants are self-selected, and represent well-educated elites on the left, right, and center, with little representation of the poor, working class, or lower-middle class. 5

The findings published by Haidt et al. powerfully reinforce the paradigm of two roughly equivalent political coalitions: the first, a socially and economically dominant coalition on the right; the second, a coalition on the left composed of relatively disadvantaged (subdominant) voters in alliance with relatively well-educated, well-off, culturally liberal professionals ('information workers,' 'symbol analysts,' 'creatives,' 'knowledge workers,' etc.). 6 The Haidt et. al. data sheds new light on what it means, across a gamut of issues, when someone says he or she is a liberal or a conservative. 7

What kinds of questions and values statements provoke the sharpest divide between left and right? The team looked at responses to 107 questions and found that the most divisive questions included those in the following areas: 8

1) WAR, PEACE, VIOLENCE, EMPATHY WITH THE WORLD:

    On key questions and statements in this category, liberals scored high, conservatives low: "I believe peace is extremely important"; "Understanding, appreciation, and protection for the welfare of all people and for nature"; "One of the worst things a person could do is hurt a defenseless animal"; "How close do you feel to people all over the world?"

    On other key questions in this area, conservatives scored high, and liberals low: "War is sometimes the best way to solve a conflict"; "There is nothing wrong in getting back at someone who has hurt you."

2) CRIME AND PUNISHMENT; MORAL ELASTICITY; AUTHORITY:

    Again, on some questions in this category, liberals scored high, conservatives low: "I believe that offenders should be provided with counseling to aid in their rehabilitation"; "What is ethical varies from one situation and society to another."

    On other questions, conservatives scored high and liberals low: "People should not do things that are disgusting, even if no one is harmed"; "Respect for authority is something all children need to learn"; "I believe that 'an eye for an eye' is the correct philosophy behind punishing offenders"; "The 'old-fashioned ways' and 'old-fashioned values' still show the best way to live"; "It feels wrong when...a person commits a crime and goes unpunished."

3) THE POOR, REDISTRIBUTION, FAIRNESS:

    Liberal high, conservative low: "It feels wrong when . . . an employee who needs their job, is fired"; "I think it's morally wrong that rich children inherit a lot of money while poor children inherit nothing"; "I often have tender, concerned feelings for people less fortunate than me."

    Conservative high, liberal low: "[I place a high value on] safety, harmony, and stability of society, of relationships, and of self"; "[It's desirable when] employees [who] contribute more to the success of the company receive a larger share"; "[I value] social status and prestige, control or dominance over people and resources."

4) MORALS, HEDONISM, SELF-FULFILLMENT, HIERARCHY:

    Liberals high, conservatives low: "I see myself as someone who . . . is original, comes up with new ideas"; "Pleasure or sensuous gratification for oneself"; "What is ethical varies from one situation and society to another."

    Conservative high, liberal low: "If certain groups stayed in their place, we would have fewer problems;" "People should be loyal to their family members, even when they have done something wrong;" "Respect, commitment, and acceptance of the customs that traditional culture provide"; "[I favor] restraint of actions, inclinations, and impulses likely to upset or harm others and violate social expectations or norms."

Their findings show how profound the chasm is on values questions between liberals and conservatives. Generally speaking, not only do liberals place high importance on peace, mutual understanding, and empathy for those who have difficulty prevailing in competition, they demonstrate concern for equality of outcome, while conservatives place pointedly low or negative importance on such values. 9 On the other side, conservatives believe that the use of force is a legitimate method of conflict resolution across a range of domains, from war to law enforcement to the discipline of children. 10 Conservatives are more likely to believe in an "eye for an eye," are more likely to respect received tradition, and are overwhelmingly committed to the proposition that individuals are responsible for their own economic condition -- all views rejected by liberals. 11

From a different vantage point -- taking data from American National Election Studies (ANES) surveys conducted between 1972 and 2004, the University of Virginia's Nicholas Winter analyzed the words respondents used to describe the two political parties. In "Masculine Republicans and Feminine Democrats: Gender and Americans' Explicit and Implicit Images of the Political Parties," Winter categorized words respondents volunteered as stereotypically "male" or "female:"

[M]asculine men are thought to be active, independent, and decisive; feminine women are thought to be compassionate, devoted to others, emotional, and kind. These core traits are linked with a range of other features, including other traits (masculine men are aggressive, practical, tough, hardworking, and hierarchical; feminine women are gentle, submissive, soft, ladylike, and egalitarian); physical characteristics (masculine men are big, strong, and muscular; feminine women are small, weak, and soft-spoken). 12

 
 
 
 
 
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electrosef
Blue-green-purple Reality exposure
04:38 PM on 02/09/2012
The fact that there is, always has been, and always will be humans occupying different strata within a spectrum of world view, representing progressive degrees of evolutionary growth (one example for which is that people at certain levels will not even acknowledge at all the fact of evolution) is in my mind, the strongest of all arguments in favor of the need for civilization to foster democracy, the fairest of all possible democracies. Only when consensus can be obtained can the fairest compromise for public policy be attained. This will never happen when certain classes of people dominate other classes of people.
The Notorious PDF
Keen Observer
03:58 PM on 02/09/2012
There have been several brilliant diagnostic articles like this published here in just the past few days. This is the kind of thing that I've observed for some time now, and it's good to see scientific research that quantifies in detail many of the same things that I've observed.
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groland
socially left, fiscally right
03:42 PM on 02/09/2012
What this article does not address is the fact that much of what passes for Conservative policy in the political realm is often inconsistent with conservative principles. Just consider fiscal responsibility as a conservative virtue and compare this to their tax cut and spend ways, or the recent row over contraception and their stands on abortion. Education, science, and technology drive industry and the economy, yet they embrace ideology over science and belittle intellectuals and scientists as elites. They wage wars and are surprised when other nations resist their will, yet they themselves would never cede any matter to an international authority.

I can live with conservatives who have some principle, but I cannot live with the theocrats who seem to be running the Republican party these days.
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mydangself
I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me
02:54 PM on 02/09/2012
It isn't conservatives vs. liberals...it's conservatives vs. everyone else. Just because conservatives claim that if you aren't in lock step with them on every issue then you are an evil Liberal does not make it so.

Notice the difference:
Answers from Republicans show almost no diversity of opinion: 92-7, 82-12, 78-21, 73-24.
Among the Democratic party such difference of opinion is fine and positions besides just "Liberal" are certainly allowed and welcomed: 53-35 ,56-33, 52-44, 53-43.
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Duke of Abq
10:47 AM on 02/11/2012
Or they are right and Liberal sometimes get it right too.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
02:54 PM on 02/09/2012
Simple question?

What makes a civilization "civilized"?

IMPO...............It's when people can put the good of the group, ahead of personal gain.

It's what separates us from primitives, where it's every animal for itself.

Too many go through life thinking only of themselves, "he who dies with the most toys wins".

My perspective is that all we really have in life is time. Leading a totally selfish existence seems rather pointless to me.

In a life filled with uncertainties the one thing I have learned is that you really can't take it with you. Once you have enough to live securely and comfortably, why desire more?

"No man stands so tall, as when he stoops to help a child"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yjeva/4488693762/

I invite you to look around the next time you go shopping.............scenes like this are remarkably rare. That's unfortunate, for us all.
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lrobb
Southern Rational
06:25 PM on 02/09/2012
Thus you prove precisely what Edsall is saying in his article--liberals and conservatives think completely differently and there is little overlap. A conservative will usually put the good of the group first, as will a liberal. The difference is that conservatives don't see personal gain as a bad thing, and the good of the group involves that group exhibiting a great deal of personal responsibility.

Conservatives are perfectly willing to help a child, but not the mother who chooses to have children she can't afford.
02:50 AM on 02/10/2012
Oh, god bless conservatives, then. And what about making a war that you can't afford (GWB)? Did Jesus say that was OK? You're so full of mularky I'm going to stop bothering with you. Bye
07:51 PM on 02/10/2012
You refuse to help the mother take care of her child, you screw over the child. That's a fact. Have you thought of that?

Consider this, too, while you're at it: Suppose a woman believes in the right-wing interpretation of Christianity, doesn't bother to learn a trade, marries young and expects her husband to be the breadwinner and herself to take care of the children. Suppose that woman's husband loses his job, or is killed, or just leaves her. When her fortunes turn worse, do you expect her to just abandon any of her children? For your sake I hope not.
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JMilton1976
02:50 PM on 02/09/2012
We are headed down a long and dark road that may only have one solution...Secession.
02:50 PM on 02/09/2012
Allow me:

1. THOSE with money and status (this includes corporations) that comprise most of the 1% began to see the future. And the future was written by the past. All societies evolve from conservative to liberal, from individual justice to collective arrangement.

2. The HAVES (1%) did not want to compromise their HAVE. They do not want to discuss, share or renegotiate their toys or how they got them for the collective better good or future. It's the "mine mine mine mine..." you hear coming from small infant children when learning to play with other children.

3. The HAVEs began to coerce legislation to ensure they never have to share their toys and force the demise of any element in society that might make them share. This escalated into a cold war within the U.S. The only difference is that the other 99% are too ignorant to understand they are IN A WAR. And the results are now unfolding.

4. The results still baffle most of the 99% because they refuse to accept they are victims of the HAVES and are losing pitifully.

5. One of the first things to die in War is TRUTH. The HAVES are making sure YOU dont know the truth or capable of distinguishing it. Because if you did, you'd be pissed off and vote their puppets out of office.

...contin...
10:29 AM on 02/10/2012
"All societies evolve from conservati­ve to liberal"

Maybe that's why all societies fall?
07:35 AM on 02/12/2012
Your analysis made me think of the letter Citigroup circulated to its wealthiest customers only, now referred to as the 'Plutonomy Reports.'

"... Those reports, since leaked, plainly discuss the power of the Plutonomy in America, and how it would only strengthen, as long as the "the rest us" (the non-plutonics) could be kept in the dark about the Plutonomy existence, its role, and its over-arching control in the American Economy."

"Our whole plutonomy thesis is based on the idea that the rich will keep getting richer. This thesis is not without its risks. For example, a policy error leading to asset deflation, would likely damage plutonomy. Furthermore, the rising wealth gap between the rich and poor will probably at some point lead to a political backlash. Whilst the rich are getting a greater share of the wealth, and the poor a lesser share, political enfrachisement remains as was -- one person, one vote (in the plutonomies). At some point it is likely that labor will fight back against the rising profit share of the rich and there will be a political backlash against the rising wealth of the rich. This could be felt through higher taxation on the rich (or indirectly though higher corporate taxes/regulation) or through trying to protect indigenous (home-grow)] laborers, in a push-back on globalization -- either anti-mmigration, or protectionism. ..."
-Citigroup Plutonomy Report

More here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6694962
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lrobb
Southern Rational
02:05 PM on 02/09/2012
Back in 2008 Bill Bishop wrote a book titled "The Big Sort" which goes a long way to explaining how we got to our present level of toxic polarization, and it is not all political. For the last 30 years we have been sorting ourselves into like minded communities which in turn created like minded Congressional districts, states and even whole regions.

Why is it that a huge group of comic book artists chose to locate in Portland, OR and how does the fact that Portland is the most bicycle-friendly city in the US help attract that kind of resident? The people attracted to Portland were more artistic, nurturing and free thinking than average. More and more like them showed up. Now you have a classically Liberal community without starting out that way politically.

Like minded people in groups tend to be more extreme than if they were in groups which reflected several different political philosophies. Our diversity is waning in direct correlation to fact we can now see, hear and read only that with which we agree 24/7. Ten years ago there was no HuffingtonPost. Twenty five years ago there was no FOX News.

More and more of our Congressional districts each year are becoming completely safe for one or the other party and thus removing the need to compromise to please a varied constituency. Think about the logical outcome of this over the next ten to fifteen years. This is not a bell we can unring.
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JMilton1976
02:46 PM on 02/09/2012
You are so correct. The divide will only deepen in the coming decades until we eventually split into two countries. I don't know how this will happen, but I honestly do see another civil war occuring in my lifetime.
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lrobb
Southern Rational
03:12 PM on 02/09/2012
I don't see a civil war, but I do see logical regional divisions for the administration of social and commercial policy geared to ideologically different populations. I believe no matter how different we are, defense, international and treasury functions will remain united and in Washington, DC.
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
05:16 PM on 02/09/2012
I'd fan you if HP wasn't on the blink. Very good analysis, and the reference is spot on.
Chinawanderer
A biography should never be micro
11:50 AM on 02/09/2012
Part of the problem, alluded to here but not developed, is that both liberals and conservatives use the same words but have very different definitions for them. Take the example of justice--the article suggested that conservatives view justice as "an eye for an eye" but most liberals would view such a definition as reductive and an unjustly harsh form of retribution.

If we are really want to find a common ground we must first understand that we may not mean the same thing.
10:14 AM on 02/09/2012
democrat=liberal=left wing
republican=conservative=right wing

These used to be six different notions with some overlap. Now we have only two with equivalent terms used interchangeably. Imagine, both of the major parties once had a liberal and conservative wing, a silly notion nowadays.
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09:41 AM on 02/09/2012
Good post with good ideas. Which is right? What side can do the best in the long run? Well it's hard to tell with these decisions being run from washington.

A far better idea would be to reduce the power and influence DC has over the country and let the states experment with the level of government intrusion they feel best for them. If you don't like the choices your government make, you vote with your feet to find a place that better suites your needs. If one state has figured out an idea that works well for them, then other states will make changes in their laws to incorporate these good ideas in their society while bad ideas will fail to flourish.

This way, everyone gets what they want.
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03:05 PM on 02/09/2012
Does that mean that red states, that now receive more aid in the form of federal tax dollars than they pay in federal taxes than blue states do, will now only receive in federal aid the amount of federal tax dollars they pay in? That seems only fair, since red states are the ones that resent government "intrusion" the most.
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lrobb
Southern Rational
03:26 PM on 02/09/2012
Once we get rid of government mandates which many of the red states neither want nor need the problem of donor and recipient states will go away. Almost every state does a far better job of providing services within a limited and balanced budget than does Washington.
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03:54 PM on 02/09/2012
Why not just end federal aid to states for the most part? Of course, by keeping your money, you no longer can mandate what happens in other states.
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Duke of Abq
11:23 AM on 02/11/2012
The Federal Government uses the Taxes they extort from the people to buy more power over them throw handouts. Get rid of the Federal power to tax, get the money flowing from the states to the Federal Government. 80% of the Tax to State, 10% local , 10% Federal. Have the Federal Government request funds from the States based on the states populations. The states than could control what the Federal Government does. Put the Federal Government back in the Constitutional box where it belongs. Power to the People and Their States!
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
08:37 AM on 02/09/2012
The purpose of democracy is to negotiate a common ground, and serve all of the group. There are always wide ranges of opinion on any subject, but compromise is where we find a meeting place that can benefit both sides. Tactics of winner take all are not workable.
mienemutti
Shall we cut to the chase?
10:45 AM on 02/09/2012
Someone needs to tell the GOP....they don't compromise....they think they're always right....how do you compromise with that?

They believe their opinions...on every issue....are fact....and they believe they're the only faction who should 'set the standards' we all have to live by.

The fewer of them we must deal with....the better.
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Duke of Abq
11:39 AM on 02/11/2012
I see the GOP in the house sending compromise bill after bill to the Democrat Senate where Reed says they are dead on arrival and does nothing with them. He should make changes pass them and send them to reconciliation committees. Where they can be worked out. The Do Nothing Democratic Senate Has not Passed a Budget in three years. The House keep sending them and the Senate sets on them. So who is the party that is not willing to compromise?
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lrobb
Southern Rational
04:26 PM on 02/09/2012
They appear to be working pretty well for Republicans in Congress right at the moment.

I just know you are going to bring up the recent 10% Congressional approval rating. What this fails to explain is that while we might loathe everyone else's Representative or Senator, we generally love our own and wouldn't change them for the world.

We have enough safe districts now so that compromise is no longer necessary to stay in office.
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ringo3khan
08:10 AM on 02/09/2012
Article proves what I've realized for a long time; there's no common ground for conversation between the two groups, much less compromise.
09:05 AM on 02/09/2012
That's not true at all. Yes, there are fundamental differences on any or all issues. However, people CAN learn to figure out ways to coexist, rather than to struggle to the death over their different worldviews.

One important first lesson is that fact, itself,, because, until you understand that, then your entire existence must be devoted to the destruction of everyone who doesn't think like you - and that is almost everybody!
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ringo3khan
10:34 AM on 02/09/2012
From what I've seen the best way for members of these two groups to coexist is 1) to avoid each other and 2) for both to stop trying to dominate or otherwise try to rule over/take from the other. Otherwise, members of these two groups need their own countries.
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LFox6
Always remember you are unique, like everyone else
08:05 AM on 02/09/2012
As the older generations pass on, and younger ones sprout up, it seems likely that the nurture paradigm will at some point be pretty much the norm (it has picked up incredible speed in the past decade or so).

I would point out I'm either a very moderate conservative or an ultra conservative progressive. Labels, blehhhh
08:56 AM on 02/09/2012
Sorry about the quarterback situation. Maybe y'all can pick up Peyton?

Meanwhile, let's look at this statement you made:

"As the older generation­s pass on, and younger ones sprout up, it seems likely that the nurture paradigm will at some point be pretty much the norm (it has picked up incredible speed in the past decade or so)."

Well, they'd better hurry up!!

To me it looks like the predominant organizational model for humans, all the way back through history has been an authoritarian one. For all of that history that resulted in a fairly stable social environment (on a macro scale). It encompassed societies run by small elites with a 'strongman' at the top (king, dictator, etc.), with powerful underlings constantly competing with each other and trying to displace/replace the strongman.

A world filled with societies like this was fairly stable, also, because one or another might gain ascendance, but it didn't really matter. No one could do enough damage to endanger all of humanity, so the strongmen could battle each other (or send their armies against each other), and the only outcome would be that a strongman would end up in charge.

1945 changed that environment. Now we have the ability to exterminate our species.

As a result, we must adapt our fundamental culture, or sooner or later, someone will trigger extinction-causing events.
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LFox6
Always remember you are unique, like everyone else
10:12 AM on 02/09/2012
Have to agree with y our last statement, that is the very sad but very true!

As for Peyton - I am not much of a praying person, but I am tebowing daily for Peyton lol!
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lrobb
Southern Rational
03:29 PM on 02/09/2012
As people get older they usually become more conservative because they have much more to lose. When you have a house, family, and career your whole point of view changes. Don't hold your breath on Gen X & Y staying incredibly liberal.
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LFox6
Always remember you are unique, like everyone else
08:05 AM on 02/09/2012
What a very interesting post! I would suggest that anyone interested in learning more about this phenomenon pick up a copy of Carol Gilligan's "In a Different Voice". It was a life-changing read for me and has turned me into a convoluted, thoughtful, and still evolving person.

It couches the 'differences' more realistically as the justice paradigm vs. the nurture paradigm. Let's face it, America has run on the justice paradigm for over 200 years, and starting in the past century, has slowly evolved more and more into the nurture paradigm. Conservatives, contrary to popular progressive opinion, are not stupide (generalization), they simply are basing their world view on the justice paradigm, which the older you are, the more likely you are to have been raised with that world view.

Also, contrary to popular conservative opinion, progressives are not stupid, either, or elitist. Their world view is more closely aligned with the mother/child relationship - nurture, in other words. The younger the person is, the more likely they are to have been influenced by last century's continuing evolution, and the more likely they are to be progressive.

The biggest difference is most things are black and white to conservatives, whereas progressives, following the nurture paradigm, tend to see alot more gray.
10:54 AM on 02/09/2012
I don't necessarily believe what you say....I'm from the older generation (born in the mid-1940's), and I am just a little left of center. I guess it depends on how you are raised. My mother was a disciplinarian, so I learned to do what was right, but I was also taught to respect the rights of others. I do agree, however, that conservatives have NO grey areas whatsoever, and until they start seeing differences, they will never compromise. Let's keep our fingers crossed because if the world becomes uber conservative, things will NOT get better for any of us.
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Duke of Abq
11:53 AM on 02/11/2012
I consider myself right of center (Liberation) if I have to use titles( which I don't like). I see lots of areas where conservatives compromise and Liberals demand the big government solution. As if it is the only solution possible. Get the Big Government out of our lives and pockets and let us live as we chose not as they dictate!