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Investors Need Tax Certainty

Posted: 11/17/10 01:45 PM ET

Uncertainty. It's the reoccurring theme reverberating throughout our economy at the moment. It's on the minds of politicians, business owners, and American families. Recent economic data also suggests that uncertainty is having a material impact on growth.

Some certainty was provided to financial markets and the broader economy after the enactment of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law. More work still needs to be done by regulators in crafting the new rules the law requires, but nevertheless, the path forward is clearer than it was before Dodd-Frank became law.

But key contributors to our economy: financial markets, investors, businesses and families are still unclear over what their tax burden will be next year. Congress has an opportunity and responsibility to address this important issue before the end of the year.

Our member firms employ hundreds of thousands financial advisers that work with millions of Americans everyday to help them plan their financial future. One of the most frequent questions these advisers here from their clients is what will happen to capital gains and dividend tax rates, and how that will affect their investments.

Unless Congress acts, the taxes on capital gains and dividends will increase substantially in 2011. The capital gains tax rates would increase by as much as 33 percent, from a current maximum rate of 15 percent to 20 percent. The tax hike for dividends is even more drastic, with tax rates for many investors increasing by nearly 164 percent. These increases do not include the additional 3.8 percent tax on investment income that was already passed this year as part of the health care reform bill.

While all investors will be affected by this increase, senior citizens will be hit the hardest. According to the Tax Foundation, 42 percent of taxpayers over 65 reported dividend income on their tax returns. The vast majority of dividend income, 48 percent, is earned by those over 65, and dividend income accounts for 6 percent of all the income earned by seniors. Additionally, one-third of all taxpayers reporting capital gains income are over 65 and they earn 30 percent of all capital gains income.

Taxing investment not only hurts America's savers and investors, it undermines potential economic growth and job creation. According to the Heritage Foundation, high tax rates on capital gains and dividends would lead to 270,000 fewer jobs in 2011 and 413,000 fewer jobs in 2018. The economic effects would be felt in take-home pay as well. Personal income after taxes would decrease by $113 billion after inflation in 2011 and $133 billion after inflation in 2012 when compared to tax rates that would have existed under the current policy. Indeed, gross domestic product (GDP) would fall by $44 billion in 2011 and $50 billion in 2012 if taxes on capital gains and dividends were left to rise to pre-2001 levels.

The numbers speak for themselves. American investors -- especially seniors -- are faced with potentially massive tax hikes, and time is running out. Given the still fragile state of our economy, Congress absolutely must continue the current rates on capital gains and dividends regardless of income level to provide increased certainty for American businesses and families, but for our future economic growth and job creation.

Tim Ryan is President and CEO of SIFMA the leading financial services trade group which represents hundreds of securities firms, banks and asset managers throughout the country.

 
 
 
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
02:37 PM on 11/26/2010
HEY TIM I have a suggestion for you. Try to have lunch more often with your investor class "members" and find out for REALY what is on their minds. At a time when a mere 5% of our population is getting 50% of all income in the whole USA, you mean to tell me that your "members" would invest and hire if they just had a few more dollars in their pockets or a few more yahts???
I strongly suggest to you is that what your "members" are waiting for is not for tax certainty, but for more buying power in the MIDDLE CLASS, i.e. some sign that there is some demand out there for your members goods and services. I perceive that you members are not dim witted. When they let their hair down, they would tell you that the CERTAINTY they want in respect to taxes is that enought taxes will be collected to prevent our drowning in national debt. In other words, the CLINTON tax program created a lot of certainty.
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tdpubs
Content publisher for small business marketing
03:46 PM on 11/18/2010
Tim, here's certainty for you. Everyone gets to pay 15% in taxes on income or they pay 35% on income. No special treatment. No handouts to companies that ship jobs overseas and every corporation that gets tax payer money pays 100% of their taxes. Everyone pays into Social Security on 100% of their income and we end the corporate sponsored myth that tax breaks create jobs. I've never hired anyone because I got a tax break. It would be idiotic and irresponsible if any business owner did.
itolduso
lateral thinker
01:32 PM on 11/18/2010
Many of the 'clients' I see are uncertain where they're going to sleep tonight. Even more are struggling to keep their children in school, because 'technically' they no longer reside in the district (since the foreclosure). All of them worry, every single day, about finding another job or enough to eat. So....while it breaks my heart to hear of the "uncertainty" that plagues your clients.....I really believe it would serve this country's best interests if we start focusing our attention on the needs and 'uncertainties' of my clients for a change...... yours have 'gotten a break' long enough.
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01:11 PM on 11/18/2010
The tax breaks for the class of Americans who receive most or all of their money from capital gains should be targeted towards creating employment in the United States.

At the present, the 15% capital gains rate is lower than the self-employment tax of 15.3%.

Those who work for a living, are self-employed, and earn amounts below the threshold amount, pay taxes at a higher rate than those receiving capital gains.
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Oregon42
He who dies with the most toys...is still dead
12:06 PM on 11/18/2010
Tim Ryan, how does that "need" compare to the other 98% of the population's need for decent, good-paying jobs and a feeling that they will be better off next year than they are this year (aka, consumer confidence)?

You completely ignore that there is plenty of investment cash out there, just no Demand, thanks to ~20% real unemployment/underemployment, caused in large part, I might add, by your industry.

The fact of the matter is that investors invest, regardless of taxation, as long as they get a better return on their investment than the alternatives. Your entire argument is a self-serving, disingenuous diatribe that completely avoids the truth of the matter.

You want certainty? No problem, how about we revert to the tax structure under the Clinton Administration, plus a millionaire's tax of ~50% for income over $1 million. Tax capital gains as income, reinstate the estate tax for large (>$5 million) estates, and get rid of the perverse incentives in our tax code that encourage offshoring of jobs. That'll provide complete certainty and has the additional benefit of helping to put America back on a sound financial footing. This would help create middle-class jobs, build the economy up, and give your investors something to invest _in_.
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tdpubs
Content publisher for small business marketing
03:48 PM on 11/18/2010
I should have read your post before responding. You said it better than I did. Faved.
11:31 AM on 11/18/2010
Give them certainty then. Let them know if they don't invest their money in the AMERICAN economy, it will be taxed at 91% like it was when we had to repair our economy in the 40's and 50's.
11:09 AM on 11/18/2010
The Clinton tax regimen worked; the Bush tax cuts did not. Let's revert to the Clinton tax system.
11:01 AM on 11/18/2010
I agree that uncertainty is bad, but that doesn't mean rates have to be extended. It would provide just as much certainty to say they will revert to 2000 levels. All this required for certainty is an answer one way or another.
07:53 PM on 11/17/2010
This lament about "uncertainty" is already tiresome. Working people, retired people, young people are living w/ a great deal of uncertainty. (someone on WS sucked my 401k dry & got a bonus & my tax dollars for doing it, so I'm still pi$$ed off). Didn't your Grandad tell you that the only certain things were death & taxes. Count on those. It might not be taxes, easy to swallow the old way, but just warn your clients there's just no guarantee in the market. You know that. The tax bite won't kill you. Heritage numbers are usually wrong.
sej
nothin' micro about my biology
05:56 PM on 11/17/2010
Tim,

Don't you remember it was Warren Buffet who asked why he should pay a lower tax rate than his secretary? Think about it: the Rich live mainly off investment income. They should be paying more. Keeping their rates low isn't going to achieve that.
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NYCBri
05:39 PM on 11/17/2010
Tax certainty should come by taxing all dividends and capital gains as income, by letting the tax cuts for income above $250,000 expire, and by imposing an additional marginal tax rate on all income above $1,000,000/year of 44%.
11:01 AM on 11/18/2010
Exactly. Certainty just requires an answer. It doesn't require the answer the author wants. Just an answer.
04:49 PM on 11/17/2010
Tim,

Go peddle your BS elsewhere, you self-serving parasite.

The "reoccuring (sic) theme" that is reverberating throughout the economy is unemployment, not uncertainty.

Characterizing our financial markets, and, by implication the criminal enterprises known as "Wall Street Banks" as "key contributors to our economy" would be laughable were it not so painfully obscene.

Weren't you paying attention? They cratered the WHOLE DAMN ECONOMY with their reckless gambling with other peoples' money, looted the US Treasury in order to remain solvent (with the help of their lapdogs Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner, and Summers) and then paid themselves record bonuses for their trouble and smugly claimed they were doing "God's Work".

You want certainty? I think we should slap every one of them that received TARP bailouts should have punitive windfall profits taxes imposed on them indefinitely until unemployment falls below 5% and all their C-Level execs should be thrown in jail for criminal fraud and racketeering.

JM
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Stephen Herrington
11:48 PM on 11/17/2010
Excellent postgame analysis coach.
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tdpubs
Content publisher for small business marketing
03:59 PM on 11/18/2010
Hey Coach, you've got it wrong. Don't you remember Fox news telling us that this whole financial disaster was the fault of ACORN, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? According to the media, poor people were buying multimillion dollar mansions that they couldn't afford. From what I remember, over 3 million people just decided that they were going to quit their jobs and live on welfare for the rest of their lives. You can't blame Wall Street Coach, according to them, they've been trying to get this problem fixed for years but Washington just won't respond to their sensible solutions. We need to give them more tax breaks and deregulate the market completely. That will put your mind at ease and give them confidence in the US economy once again. Thank God I get all my information from Fox news or I would think that your plan made sense.