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Google vs. Facebook: Should Human Rights Factor in Your Choice of Social Network?

Posted: 07/06/11 09:52 AM ET

Question: What would billionaire Mark Zuckerberg lose by refusing Chinese demands that he censor Facebook? What would he and his company gain from being more principled?

This came up after reading Christopher Luna's analysis of Google Plus as an alternative to Facebook, Zuckerberg's social networking colossus that boasts more than 600 million users globally.

Google Plus, which launched in beta last week, has been Topic One among the "digerati," who've spent much of the week kicking the tires of Facebook's new competitor and reporting back to followers and friends.

But Luna, a masters student at Harvard Divinity School, looked at the competing services through a different lens.

He wrote that he's come to trust Google more because of its refusal to buckle to Chinese censors:

Google is currently in a power war with China, and Google has made the correct choice in its difficult decision between compromising with a totalitarian government that would exert every pressure possible, legal and illegal, to use the information that we trust to Google to continue its campaign against freedom and dissidence.

Facebook, Cisco and Microsoft have shown themselves to be much more willing to comply with Chinese gatekeepers in order to gain access to the nation's vast marketplace of users.

For Luna, Google's stance on behalf of free speech and human rights should be the deciding factor for social media users.

"The choice here isn't just about business. It's about whether a capitalist economy can show that the bottom line is not the only thing in the world that matters," he writes. "It's about whether a corporation can exist and thrive while standing by principles that support the value of human beings."

In 2011, networked technology has become a megaphone for freedom movements from Tunisia and Yemen to Burma and Vietnam. Yet at the same time new media companies have provided repressive regimes with the means to turn technology against their citizenry -- to spy on communications, censor content and, even, track down dissidents for arrest.

And while I agree with Luna that Google has a better record than Facebook on several open Internet and human rights issues, both are in the business of selling us, their users, to advertisers. For some people, that basic fact -- including their need to gather as much data as possible about us whether we are aware of it or not -- compromises their products too much. (Wouldn't it be great if those 600 million people used Disapora's open social network instead?)

In a more perfect world tech companies that stand up for freedom and justice should naturally be more successful economically. This isn't the way our globalized markets have functioned over the centuries, but perhaps we've reached a point in our newly connected world where principles can lead to profits.

For this to succeed, though, consumers will need to become more engaged in corporate behavior both at home and abroad, and to vote with their wallets (and clicks) for the company that takes the high road.

For Luna, the choice is obvious: "I'd like to see Google win this war [with Facebook], and I know who's side I'm on here. I kind of think that leaving Facebook is one way that we can participate..."

 

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06:59 PM on 07/07/2011
I don't know what the fuss is all about, I'm sticking with Gsick
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
03:40 PM on 07/07/2011
The world cannot continue to ignore the suffering of billions of people. Slavery is an efficient economic model, but it is unethical for the us to continue to profit from the pain of billions of Asian slaves.

International pressure was instrument­al in the abolition of slavery in the U.S. and Brazil. In 1815, Great Britain, Austria, France, Portugal, Prussia, Spain and Sweden signed a Declaration denouncing the slave trade at the Congress of Vienna.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
10:07 AM on 07/07/2011
Found this interesting link demonstrating the problem with fb.

Our media is broken, more so than even pre-revolution Egypt. There is a reason that HP was bought. There is a reason that FB became MSM's new darling. There is a reason that Google was slapped with an anti-trust lawsuit.

http://my.firedoglake.com/members/blueskybigstar/activity/245279
09:06 PM on 07/06/2011
Should human rights factor in your choice of G+ / Facebook?

In general, I'd argue that the values of ownership, as they are inevitably expressed in corporate policy, should always be factored into your choice of who you do business with.

Failure to do so disenfranchises the many and favors the fortunate few. So, if you want an egalitarian country, buy from egalitarian firms. If you want a green country, buy from those who do business in a green way. Love concentration of wealth? Then invest in companies who love that.

Eventually, government will not be able to contain greed and concentration of wealth, so all that is left is the people's willingness to work for themselves, rather than those with all the marbles.
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TimeMaster
I see A, You see B, C is Correct
05:31 PM on 07/06/2011
The premise is widely known about businesses and money. They sell out for profits, and that's the way of the corporation. For FB its all about the Benjamins or the Yuans in this case. Google has to be commended for at least taking a stand and having some principles. I grow more wary of FB all the time since they change privacy and other features to keep trying to grab more share and monetize their users's content.
Begun the "Social" wars has.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
11:33 AM on 07/06/2011
I would go further to say Google has resisted our own governments attempts to spy on its own citizens. AT&T was granted retroactive immunity for allowing a complete feed of its voice/data feed in San Francisco, and has quite a reputation among its many users, but has been given the apparent nod to aquire T-Mobile. Meanwhile the justice department who has ignored countless corporate abuses, decides to slap an anti-trust lawsuit on Google. The message is clear. It's expensive to be principled in the short term.

I've got my eye on the long term, though, and I think Google does too.
10:48 AM on 07/06/2011
This is one of several reasons I plan to make Google+ my first choice in Social Networking. The way Google conducts themselves with all the potential power they have astonishes me. The way Facebook is starting to behave also astonishes me. From their courting of China to their vicious battle to lock-in contact data, I just don't trust Facebook. I really hope FB realizes the sway early adopters have and the damage they can do themselves by pissing them all off.
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10:41 AM on 07/06/2011
Seriously? No one really cares and the idea that whether someone agrees with Chinese censorship or not has never made anyone switch allegiances or products.
11:25 AM on 07/06/2011
Really?? You are on huffpost, just the place, for those who do just that. I was only a wee kid when I did my first boycott. Boycotted tuna because of the industry's practices with dolphins. (not that tuna was all that hard to boycott, but I was just a kid.) People take a stand for morals all the time. And if the moral stand comes with extra features how much the better.
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Comin at u from Area 5150
12:53 PM on 07/06/2011
What jar are you living in? If you knew anything, you wouldn't post such an outrageously ignorant statement here.

You best be trollin'!
10:31 AM on 07/06/2011
Funny; my Facebook has always been censored by Zuckerberg; am I the exception ?
10:27 AM on 07/06/2011
Google's reaction to the Recent revolutions and it's " Ghnem " rule in the uprising will polarize the attention of thousand users :!
10:25 AM on 07/06/2011
Mark Zuckerberg is seeking to expand its market because the current is in decline. What is lost? the opportunity to get a new market, while he is making the renewal of he has, to not lose it.
10:24 AM on 07/06/2011
The details of what happened with Google in China are not so clear-cut as this article purports. See the recent book by Siva Vaidhyanathan, "The Googlization of Everything (And Why We Should Worry) for the full background.

I agree that an exodus from Facebook is in the make for good reason, but leaving Babylon for the Brave New World does not do much for real freedom in the cloud.