Hillary Crossed the Line
It may be true that an untidy cat box could beat sad sack John McCain this year.
But.
Senator Clinton, please shut up.
Every charge you angrily hurl at Barack Obama gives the Republicans a talking point.
On yesterday's 60 Minutes, you crossed an unforgivable line:
"You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?" Steve Kroft asked her.
"Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that," she replied.
"You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not...a Muslim. You don't believe that he's...," Kroft said.
"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said.
As far as I KNOW? What if the situation were reversed?
"Sen Obama, What about those smears that Hillary Clinton is a lesbian who likes to skinny dip with her Iranian 'assistant...' and 'gal pal.' What do you think about those rumors?"
"She is a heterosexual happily married to former President Bill Clinton, as far as I know," Obama responds.
Who are you, Senator Clinton?
You are doing exactly what the Republicans do when they campaign.
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I hope Obama takes this opportunity, i.e. Hillary's vicious attacks, to show us how he will fight terrorism. Hillary is nothing but an insurgent, and yes, a terrorist. Exactly what the Republicans are going to be in the general election. So, this is the time fot Obama to show us how he deals with it. It is sad that he has to fight a fellow Democrat first, but it was Hillary who said that she was going to attack Obama like a Republican, to "test" him whether he can fight the "real" Republican. It is a pathetic argument, doubly twisted, but that's how she is. And I believe that now is the time for Obama to show us his internal strength. It will be a tricky job, but I have no doubt that he is up to it. What remains to be seen is whether he wants to do it. And I sincerely hope he does. Otherwise kiss the Democratic party good-bye.
The Republican trolls are flooding this thread to ensure Clinton is the nominee. And they know she will lose with a criminal case against her and Bill coming up in Los Angeles Court With conclusie evidence on several videos with the Clintons' conversations with Paul Penn who donated $1.8 million the Hillary's Senaorial and presidential campaigns rthat did not report and denied ever even knowing Paul Pernn. This jury trial is about a felony which canm destroy Hillary's career and cause her to liose the general election.
So now you know why so many republicans and the MSM are giving Hillary so much prime airtime to help her win the nomination so they can defeat her in the general election. and many wit nesses to corroborate the Cl;intons fraud in violating the law governing political donation It is a $17 million dollar criminal suit scheduled for September, just a month before the general election which the McCain people will use to destroy Hillary's credibility. Why the MSM is not carrying this crucial November surprise is obvious.
This is true and not the only scandal we are going to have to deal with if Clinton is the nominee. There is the matter of Senator Clinton's tax return and Bill's involvement with profiting from hedge funds in the range of 20 million, where he changed tax laws to benefit himself financially. This is a serious matter and has yet to be discussed until the Clinton joint tax returns are released. http://uk.
This was after the fourth time of asking. it's clear in context where her sentiment lies. It's CLEAR, unless you are looking for controversy. I'm willing to note where I'm blnkered by bias when it happens. Are any people here?
-temple
Exactly what did she say that was inappropriate or incorrect? There are some Obama supporters who are going around looking for slights where none exist. Focus people.
Seems to me that you have actually lost focus, rstipati. What about "as far as I know" did you not understand? Hillary was clearly hedging, leaving the door open for doubt as to Obama's religion. There was only ONE appropriate response for Hillary to make and that was "Senator Obama is a Christian and any statements to the contrary are just plain false."
The sad part of this is .... what if Barack were a Muslim? So what??? There should be no religious test for the Presidency. Sadly, this is another area in which our country has lost its way.
Face it. Obama blew the response to this email when it first came out. He and his people ignored it and let folks get 10 plus copies in their email boxes before he responded. And then it was a weak response at that.
Hillary made a reasonable response. She said she didn't believe it. Don't blame her because Obama let the idea take hold before he bothered to respond. It's not her job to set the record straight. It's his team's job.
If he's the nominee, they'd better ramp up their rapid response effort because they'll get eaten alive by the Republicans. Or do you expect McCain and the right wing hacks to play nicer than Hillary?
Quit whining.
Tom:
Exactly so. I think Hillary's most eggregious moment came when she said you get experience with her or McCain in the White House but you get a speech with Obama.
What does this tell us about her?
That she is nothing more or less than an unbriddaled ambition machine, willing to jettison party, principles and country just to see herslef in the White House -- nothing is more important to her. Not our welfare, not the constitution, not honesty, integrity, or honor.
Doubt that? How else do you explain voting for Iraq without even reading the NIE? Can there be a more cynical and despicable act than sending young men and women to war on a poltical calculation?
No. There cannot be.
before i knew about barack, i was willing to vote for the clinton's, (bill, is one dog you cannot keep on the porch) to make the move from the disappointing 7+ years, watching our constitutional rights shrink, our economy shrink, our safety shrink, (instead of war making us safer, nie says we are actually less safe) and our reputation sink!!! before we are sunk, i hope the good people of this country realize, we deserve a responsible president ....that is what our forefathers vision included!!
BARACK OBAMA '08
What does it mean to be a christian these days anyway?
Those who lead the biggest churches are some of the worst SOBs ever.
They believe in the killing of innocent children and women just so they can "feel safe" from an invisable threat.
You know, all she'd have to do is come out and say something to the tune of "I know in my heart that my friend and comrade in the Senate, Barack Obama, is 100% Christian and that he loves the United States of America as much as I do. Furthermore, I understand that people supporting me have sent around emails and other literature that I believe is entirely false and misleading. I take full responsibility for their actions, and I completely denounce what they've done. My campaign would never endorse nor support racism against African Americans nor any bias against the Islamic faith and it's supporters and anyone who supports me and tries to use these tactics isn't a supporter of what I believe in at all." Of course, she'll never say it and she's already effectively let that opportunity pass her by. If she had stated that, and turned her focus towards John McCain, I bet a lot more people would turn out and vote for her in the next few primaries, and her campaign would get a lot more financial support.
As it were, I think Hillary Clinton's campaign is pretty happy about getting all those uneducated, young white male votes as a result of her campaign's disgusting strategy. But hey, of course whenever you say something like that, you know you're going to get a Clinton supporter to say "but, you'd support her if she was the nominee...
When Obama was recently asked why he denied that a meeting had occurred between one of his top advisers and a Canadian official regarding NAFTA, he responded: "That was the information I had at the time."
In other words, AS FAR AS HE KNEW!
Obama has clearly crossed the line on this one.
What was Clinton supposed to say to Steve Kroft? "No, he's not a Muslim and I have irrevocable proof."? The only implication in her words is that she has no evidence to the contrary and no reason to doubt his claim.
She was asked a question and she answered it.
Canada made the whole NAFTA memo thing up.
The Obama campaign did NOT contact the Candians. The Canadians contacted both campaigns.
The meeting covered a lot of things. Obama wasn't aware of the details of the entire agenda.
Obama's representative repeated Obama's position. The Canadians blatantly lied about what Obama's guy said, then leaked it. They did it intentionally to ensure a McCain win. And the Canadian government is doing their own investigation into the whole thing as it's illegal to meddle in U.S. politicfs.
Now what do you think of the Canadians interfering in U.S. elections and manipulating the Democratic Party's nomination process with a fraud?
If you read the comment, it had nothing to do with the little NAFTA fiasco. It had to do with the fact that Clinton gave a perfectly reasonable response to a question she was asked, and everyone's reading some dark, sinister ulterior motive into it.
The point was that when he was faced with an unprompted question, he said the exact same type of thing that she did. If you don't like her, fine. Just get over it and quit nit-picking about every last word. It's childish.
I am a Canadian working in the US. You are right and for starters, the trade consular official should be fired. At the very least, he should be held responsible for his memo, the Trade Consul his boss should be fired. Please accept my apology as a Canadian. Now of course it is too late, the US press STILL keeps saying he lied and not reporting this accurately. The best and most fair interview came in from Tucker Carlson, who I have to applaud for listening to the Obama Foreign Policy advisor.
Democrats can't seem to see what is in front of their eyes, the Republicans, led by Karl Rove is running their nomination process. Republicans are voting for Hillary to get her in the race against McCain. They are salivating at the thought of beating her in November and THEY WILL!
Two things -- it now appears that the whloe Canada discussion was a hoax at worst, a misunderstanding or misinterpretation at best, and motivated by political interests.
But what's getting lost in this whole thing is the fact that Obama, Hillary and nearly every sentient being in the world -- except Lou Dobbs (assuming he's sentient) -- favors free trade with countries like Canada.
If a country has comparable labor, safety and environmental laws, then free trade operates pretty much as the corporate oligarchs and their academic apparatchicks advertise -- it increases net welfare.
So why wouldn't Obama let them know he's not against that kind of free trade?
Now there is one other issue with Canada -- their single-payer universal health care system gives them an important leg up -- GM pays over $1000 per car here in the US, largely to cover health care costs, but less than $400 per car in taxes in Canada for health care.
But that's not the fault of free trade -- that's because ignorant buffoons in the Republican Party would rather siphon off hundreds of billions of dollars from medical care and give it to health insurance companies than give it to doctors and nurses if it means we get saved from "socialist" medicine -- which is evil because it assures better infant survival, longer life spans, superior preventative medicine. lower prescription drug costs etc etc etc.
Oh, the horror.
If Americans are so ignorant as to fall for the crap being thrwon against the wall -- if they allow it to stick -- then we deserve what we get. To quote Arron Sorkin. "Democracy is hard work -- ya gotta want it ..."
Do we? Are we willing to work for it?
What do you think?
Hillary: "Do all smears onto Obama as others did onto me." I guess she's not a Christian herself.
I guess you've got to give them credit. The Clintons are good at what they do, which includes sewing "seeds of doubt" about their opponents, but done in such a way that they almost appear as being innocent.
And none of you believes you may be reading too much into Hillary simply answering like a trained politician? If you want to be mad at Hillary there's plenty of real issues to stoke the fire. This one's just petty.
The phrase "politics of personal destruction" was, IIRC, coined by the Clinton camp to characterize this kind of slimy tactics when targeted at them. I couldn't be more nauseated to see them using the same tactics against Obama. "As far as I know." I don't want somebody who would sink to this kind of thing in the oval office.
Winkla, I think you've missed the point. The point isn't that Obama COULDN'T fight back or that he's tender. The point is that he's now willing to destroy the party to win.
Dems are disgusted by the 'win at any cost, including killing the party' attitude of the Clintons.
Denni, i think you missed my point!Senator Clinton's response was definitive and clear.She in no way parsed words or left an opening.if you see the interview, you will find how innocuous her answer was.my point is that Tom is trying to make something negative of her answer.BTW
Who's destroying the party?
Obama has more pledged delegates.
Clinton can't win. Yet she continues on and WITH NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING.
Clinton isn't out to win. Clinton is out to prevent Obama from winning.
Junk yard dog. Not very becoming.
Clinton is ensuring we'll be inaugurating President McCain.
this makes me wanna puke--you better toughen up Tom because when the general election bgins, you will wish for the banal, innocuous reply of Senator Clinto. you're really stretching the race card on this one. we've had enough of this type crap
The Obama supporters want to have it both ways. They were screaming that if Hillary was the candidate they would not vote for her. Barack or nobody. That was their battle cry.
Now that it looks like Obama might get the nod, Hllary should quit, even if she wins Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, and all the Hillary supporters should fall into line and support the Democratic candidate like sheep.
You know do exactly the opposite of what they were going to do.
Sorry but that simply doesn't cut it...you wanted scorched earth and now you got it...
pbarb has a rather angry tone...ya think? This is exactly what is so wrong with Clinton surrogates and why they fail to convince others.
pbarb was pointing out the angry tone of the Obamaites I think. But one of the real problem with Obama surrogates is that they do see only black...an
Lets end Bush-Rove-Clinton style politics in 2008.
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