Northern Irish, South Africa Leaders in Secret Peace Discussion with Iraqi Parties

Posted September 28, 2007 | 05:43 PM (EST)



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Sunni and Shi'a leaders began a potential peace process at secret meetings with leaders of the new Northern Ireland and South Africa one month, signing draft set of principles which resemble the protocols that guided the peace settlements in those two countries.

Chairing the closed meetings near Helsinki were Martin McGuinness, the former Irish Republican Army commander, lead negotiator with the British, and now Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland, and Roelf Meyer, former leader of the pro-apartheid National Party in South Africa's peace negotiations. The Irish delegation also included former IRA hunger striker Leo Green, minister Jeffrey Donaldson, former Stormont speaker Lord Alderdice, and former loyalist paramilitary leader Billy Hutchison. South African participants included ANC leaders Mac Maharaj and Rashid Ismail, key participants in the military and political negotiations in South Africa. [See "McGuinness in Iraqi Peace Negotiations," An Phoblacht, Sinn Fein Weekly, Sept. 6, 2007, and "NI Figures Boost Iraqi Peace Talks," BBC, Sept. 4, 2007]

The Iraq delegations' names have not been released but reportedly included six Sunni and nine Shi'a who signed a statement of principles. About 30 Iraqis were present, including Akram al-Hakim, minister of national reconciliation for the Baghdad government, representatives of Moktada al-Sadr, Sunni leader Adnan al-Dulaimi, and Humam Hammoudi, the Shi'a chairman of the Baghdad parliament's foreign affairs committee.

There is no doubt that American and British authorities knew about and approved the meeting, though they were excluded from attending. Instead, the meeting was facilitated and funded by the Finnish Crisis Management Initiative [CMI] and the McCormack Graduate School at the University of Massachusetts.

At this point, virtually no American media outlets have reported the meeting, despite the importance of the parties in attendance.

Irish political consultant Quentin Oliver, who directed the successful referendum on the Good Friday Agreement in 1998, summed up the significance: "The Iraqis saw the dynamics from us. Apartheid removed. Troubles accommodated. Baghdad next. They did it, not us. We only helped." [Peter Fabricius, "Promising Future for Iraq Thanks to SA Trio," Johannesburg Star, Sept. 6, 2007]

The Iraqis saw former military enemies -- McGuinness and Hutchison, for example, or South African apartheid leaders and ANC guerilla commanders -- chairing meetings together on how sharply divided communities can coexist.

The key question for the Iraqis, who are circulating the draft at home, is whether the major parties believe their armed strategies have reached a stalemated point of no return, or whether one side [and foreign sponsors like the U.S. and U.K.] still hopes for a military victory. In South Africa and Northern Ireland, secret peace discussions were initiated while the wars were proceeding, but eventually grew into the peace processes as the rival parties concluded that armed struggle [or military occupation] had reached its limits.

South Africa was first to settle its war, in 1994, and the ANC became close advisers to the IRA as the Irish peace process was being evaluated. At one point, President Nelson Mandela even presided over discussions in South Africa between republican and unionist/loyalist leaders who would not sit in the same rooms together.

The Finnish role in the current process stems from former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari's past involvement with the independent decommissioning agency established in Northern Ireland.

The key moments at the meeting were when Irish and South African representatives told stories of how their militarized strategies ultimately led to stalemate and the prospect of endless war. "The most remarkable impression on the Iraqis was McGuinness, once evil incarnate to the Protestants," who now sits as vice-minister to First Minister Ian Paisley, the right-wing fundamentalist preacher trained at Bob Jones University who swore that the Catholic Church was the "whore of Babylon." A meaningful peace process "only emerged in both countries when all parties agreed that those who adhered to violence had to be brought into negotiations, and that those parties adhering to violence had accepted that violence could never lead to accommodation. One could see Iraq heads nod in agreement." [Padraig O'Malley, Boston Globe op-ed, September 24, 2007]

The so-called "Helsinki principles" which were agreed to, with each Iraqi signatory praying "In-sha'Allah" as they signed their names, are very general and appear utopian, but so were the early framework agreements in Ireland and South Africa. Most importantly, all parties agreed to continue the discussions towards a settlement.

The agreement commits all parties "to work towards a robust framework for a lasting settlement [and] a set of recommendations to start negotiations to reach national reconciliation...The principles of inclusivity, power-sharing and a commitment to removing the use of violence as a means of resolving political differences were among the most urgent concerns agreed."

The 12 principles and 19 "political objectives," which are online at Helsinkiagreement.com include:

* to resolve all political issues through nonviolence and democracy;

* to form an independent commission approved by all parties to supervise the process of disarmament in a verifiable manner;

* to commit to accept the result of the negotiations with no party subjected to threats of force;

* to establish an independent consultative body to explore ways to deal with the legacy of the past in a way that will unite the nation;

* "a common vision for all Iraqi political entities on the importance of termination of the presence of foreign troops in Iraq through the completion of national sovereignty and rebuilding a national army and security apparatus according to a national vision within a realistic timetable";

* "to convince political groups that are currently outside the political process to initiate and activate a constructive dialogue to reach common understandings";

* "to deal with armed groups which are not classified as terrorist, encouraging them to use peaceful political mens to address the conflict and to provide their members with jobs and opportunities within state administrations";

* "the cessation of the violation of the human rights of Iraqi citizens and their properties by continuous bombardment and military actions by foreign forces";

* "to be rational in political speeches, for the national interest, and to move away from sectarian and ethnic dispute";

* "to bring an end to the displacement of Iraqi people and work to take care of those displaced, and secure their safe return, with guarantees of their safety by the national forces in cooperation with political parties and tribal leaders."

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- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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For some of the news, most of the time, always consult the BBC...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6977190.stm

'NI figures boost Iraq peace talks

The al-Askari shrine was damaged in a sectarian bombing in June
Leaders of Iraq's Sunni and Shia factions are to consider a series of principles on non-violence after talks involving Northern Ireland politicians.
The discussions were held at a secret location in Finland over the weekend.

They were chaired by Northern Ireland's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein, and former South African government minister Roelf Meyer.

DUP Lagan Valley MP Jeffrey Donaldson was also involved in the four days of discussions.

Mr Donaldson rejected any suggestion the talks had been manipulated by the US or British governments.

"This was a private initiative very much in the background, so I'm not in any way concerned that there's been manipulation here," he said.

"The Iraqis themselves were anxious that they should do this, that they should get help from South Africa and Northern Ireland and that there should be no involvement from the coalition governments."' ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 09/30/2007
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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'Crisis Management Initiative (CMI) is an independent, non-profit organisation that innovatively promotes and works for sustainable security.'

http://www.cmi.fi/

Press release Monday 3 September 2007

For immediate use

Leading representatives of Iraqi political parties and others linked to a range of groups close to the conflict completed four days of discussions in Finland

Participants committed themselves to work towards a robust framework for a lasting settlement. Those present agreed to a set of recommendations to start negotiations to reach national reconciliation. These recommendations are contained in the attached Helsinki Agreement. The principles of inclusivity, power-sharing and a commitment to removing the use of violence as a means of resolving political differences were among the most urgent concerns agreed.

Brought together by the John W. McCormack Graduate School of Policy Studies at the University of Massachusetts - Boston, with the assistance of the Crisis Management Initiative, sixteen Iraqi delegates were aided by senior representatives of peace processes of Northern Ireland and South Africa to explore the current situation in Iraq.

No further information can be offered at this stage.

http://www.cmi.fi/?content=press&id=73

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 09/30/2007

This is great news! Why hasn't it been reported on here in the US? Why was this not mentioned in the congressional hearings we just had?

It sounds as if the Iraqi's are clear in wanting the US out completely - is that the problem here?

Now that we have biofuel - soybean or other vegetable oil - that can run everything that fossil fuel can, why are we still looking for oil in the middle east? Why not grow crops that can be used for our energy purposes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 09/29/2007
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Bush doesn’t want peace. The military industrial complex wants eternal war. It’s the new economy. Check out Naomi Klein’s book.

By landing troops in the middle east and raising hell in the area the oil companies get away with whatever they want including record profits. The oil companies do not want peace, they want to divide and conquer and keep the situation in constant turmoil to justify high prices and megadeath to control the area.

Bush wants a constant impending disaster in the works to justify the suspension of the constitution and all of our rights.

The weapons manufactures and contractors want constant war to justify selling goods and services to the government which we pay for through our taxes. The new economy is welfare for the military industrial complex.

Congress must cut off the funding in order to cut off the head of the ugly snake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 09/29/2007

Tom Hayden's post is the first and ONLY news many of us have heard of peace talks in Iraq. How and why would REAL NEWS like this not be reported by the US maintstream media? Is (the) Bush (crime family) really THAT powerful?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 09/29/2007
- UpstateSC I'm a Fan of UpstateSC 12 fans permalink
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ZingoBonMot is right - this is the first good news to come out of Iraq since our invasion. For the differing Iraqi factions to come to terms with each other and work out their differences (with the help of those who have "been there, done it") would be victory. Then our troops can come home and no one loses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 09/29/2007
- OldKnute I'm a Fan of OldKnute 107 fans permalink

Upstate, you got it! SOOOOO RIGHT!

These people have been there,,, done that,,, they know from YEARS of experience how hard it is,,, BUT that it can WORK!

Wait!


But this is EXACTLY what Maliki asked for nearly,,,,, 2 years ago.

A “Truth and Reconciliation” commission.

The Dems,, the sane ones asked for this too!

July 2006. A Peace and Reconciliation Commission.


WAIT!!!

Geee!! This is what Ahmadinejad asked for LAST WEEK!!!!

But George and THE Neo-conjures would NOT hear of it! They refuse Malikis proposals. They refused International Help. They refused overtures from France and Germany and England to spearhead such an effort. They Refused Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and any other proposals for a PEACE effort in Iraq.

WAIT!!!

Geee, this is what Ahmadinejad asked for LAST WEEK!!!!

OH,,,,, I forgot!

We still had not yet BOMBED IRAN into the Stone Age.

How foolish of ME!

Sheeese!

All the best

Knute (Neo-LIB)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 09/29/2007
- PADDYWHACK I'm a Fan of PADDYWHACK 6 fans permalink

Great post Hayden,I would like to point out that McGuinness was radicalised by violence on his brother by the security forces.It took a lot to achieve peace and the US ironically was a valued partner for peace.Now our nation has become prime warmonger under this fascist regime.When the British sent in troops they were greeted as peacekeepers,but then they took sides and 30 years later the violence stopped,sound familiar ?.I never know from week to week which side we're taking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 09/28/2007
- OldKnute I'm a Fan of OldKnute 107 fans permalink

Paddy,

It is simple,,,, who ever has the most Gold, OIL, Opium, Rice, Wood, Iron, Diamonds, Tin, Cobalt, Uranium, there you will find the Neo-Conquers.

Pro-Business, Lower Taxes????

No DUH!

Evil is always seen best by its excess.

By the way Tom. Dearest Tom. If you speak to Jane any longer, might you send her my thanks?

NOW that Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (the lost), Clinton, Bush (the cruel) and about 1000 Generals and all of Congress for 30 years, now agree that Viet Nam was a mistake, waste of time and money, a quagmire, a foolish adventurism of military lunacy, a meat-grinder of American youth, a mistake, a misadventure, a horrible catastrophe for our nation and a shame on our history and reputation.

Now that all these,,,, Geniuses,,,, know now,,, what Jane Fonda knew,,,, BACK THEN.

Will you PLEASE, PLEASE thank her,,,, for all of us AMERICAN BOYS that made it back home,,,, ALIVE?

No joke, no hype, on my knees with humble thanks and tears in my eyes. For my 4 sons, ALIVE now too, and grandbabies.

THANK YOU!

All the best

Knute (Neo-LIB)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 09/29/2007
- PADDYWHACK I'm a Fan of PADDYWHACK 6 fans permalink

Oldknute,and I thought we were a postcolonial society that didn't invade for resources.Jane was right and righteous too.The Presidents in power at both Vietnam and Iraq were local boys and in the present case quite dim.When Johnson found he could not buy off Ho Chi Min he was screwed or at least our boys were,I'm glad you made it out alive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 09/30/2007

The president has so discredited us that we cannot be included in peace negotiations regarding a war WE commenced.

Imagine! We have lived to see the day that the presence of the U.S. at a negotiation will doom any chace of a peaceful reconciliation.

Furthermore we have lived to see the day when the major networks and newspapers entrusted with our precious first amendment would not find it newsworthy that peace negotiations have commenced regarding a war in which American soldiers are dying daily. Downright surreal!!

Thanks to Mr. Hayden and huffpo for doing the mainstream medias job for them (and us).........tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 09/28/2007

The Cowboy-in-Chief would sure hate for the killings stop because that would momentarily thwart his attempts to two-step with Ahmadinejad. Diplomacy...what a novel idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 09/28/2007
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 186 fans permalink

Mediation is a good way to resolve issues. I use it frequently.

Thank you for your post. Best of luck to all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 09/28/2007

This is very hopeful - thank you, Tom Hayden.

I lived in Britain throughout the Irish "troubles", and can confirm that Martin McGuinness was indeed looked on by protestants and many other English folk as "evil incarnate". This news shows us how even the worst of 'em eventually see the light, and will contribute to it.

There may yet be hope for Iraq - the only problem is - it takes a long long time for them to lay down their arms. It won't be fast or easy, but as long as they persist, as in Northern Ireland, it'll work. And it doesn't solve the problem of GWB and the rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 09/28/2007
- Alice A.N. I'm a Fan of Alice A.N. 2 fans permalink

"From our lips to God's ears." A rough translation of a very popular saying.

At this point, we need miracles. The peace process of SouthAfrica and Ireland took decades and generations respectively to come to friution, that's how long it'll take to fix Iraq. Maybe our middle eastern co-habiters of this planet will prove to be smarter and end their 1400 year dispute but I doubt it.

All we can do is pray I guess, and for those of us who don't believe in prayer; well don't hold your breath is all I say.

Good strategy though. Anyone want to bet how long before there is another call for a "surge" to get it to work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 09/28/2007

As far as I'm concerned, this is the first good news to come out of Iraq in four and one half years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 09/29/2007
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