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The Hypocrisy of Being Green and Making Babies

Posted: 05/24/11 05:46 PM ET

If you had one louse on your head, would you think it was a problem? How about two? Would you hunt down and exterminate the Adam and Eve of lice nestled in your hair, or let them be? What about 10? Or 20? Or 200? What is the number you would tolerate before dunking your head in toxic poison to kill them all? Sometimes I think that is how the earth feels about us. Even though I know overpopulation is a serious threat to the environment, it is hard to come up with a solution. I mean, I am not a mathematician or anything, but either more people have to die or fewer people have to be born.

About a year ago, when I was pregnant, I saw this video by comedian Doug Stanhope:

I had to laugh at the irony of the moment, especially when I thought of my hybrid SUV in which I was planning to drive my baby home from the hospital. Life is a quantum mass of contradictions. As much as I want to consider myself an environmentalist with my recycling system that puts Al Gore to shame, an organic farm that would make Michael Pollen kale-colored with envy, and guaranteeing I let every yellow mellow in the toilet, does my procreating negate all that? Is my producing another human to consume and create waste mean I can no longer judge people for drinking from plastic water bottles?

I now find myself second-guessing every environmental decision since I produced this little being of natural destruction. Take for instance diapers. Do I use cloth diapers? But what about all the laundry? Think of all the children who die because they can't get clean water... the same water I am using to wash away my kid's poo with. So, what about 7th generation diapers? They are okay, but if I use them throughout the night while she sleeps, she wakes up covered in pee and I have to wash her outfit, wasting more water, or ignore the comments at the organic grocery store that my baby smells like urine. I have a hard enough time just trying to figure out what gluten is and whether or not it's hiding in carrots. So, what if I use Huggies just at night? Is that okay?

Or toys. I don't want her to have off-gassing toys made by babies in the developing world, so I should buy all new eco-happy toys, right? But the price difference between a rubber ducky chew toy at Babies R Us and a Sophie giraffe is $20. For a parent like me, I will get the deluxe French shi-shi option because of my belief that too many toys will condition you to feel entitled. But what if you differ from my Marxist Mommy style? What if you don't have the money to afford $50 handmade letter blocks, painted with the nectar of butterfly tears collected from virgins laboring in a local field?

Now that I have a baby, I realize that every choice I make is a potential environmental catastrophe. How do I reconcile the fact that I am glad she is alive, but that every life is a budding threat to the health of the earth? I don't want to live in denial, but feeling the guilt of creation rather than its beauty is exceedingly stressful.

The rhetoric to deal with these overwhelming feelings of self-blame is to "do your part." Plant trees, support local organic farmers, act morally superior. But sometimes that just doesn't feel like enough, and I find myself lost in clichés. Am I doing the best I can if I don't live in a solar-powered off-the-grid yurt, riding my bicycle to town in a handmade alpaca woven poncho to trade my raw milk with the fellow crafts people? And why is it all my responsibility? I feel powerless in a greater system that doesn't offer enough options to live without impact. Aren't the politicians and corporations more accountable, considering they have greater influence?

So here is where the contradiction lies. Part of the success of the green movement is not equating "green" with personal sacrifice, and with a wink and smile encouraging people to buy the organic Oreo cookies instead. Problem solved. But I get it. I don't want to think about all we would have to give up and would much rather believe we can live exactly the same, just buying the eco version of everything. And maybe that is true. Maybe it is not the number of people that is problematic, it is the way people are living. Or maybe our kids will one day figure it all out and solve this mess.

 

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If you had one louse on your head, would you think it was a problem? How about two? Would you hunt down and exterminate the Adam and Eve of lice nestled in your hair, or let them be? What about 10? Or...
If you had one louse on your head, would you think it was a problem? How about two? Would you hunt down and exterminate the Adam and Eve of lice nestled in your hair, or let them be? What about 10? Or...
 
 
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07:01 AM on 07/06/2011
I so wish I could post this on my fb, but I'd be crucified.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
02:12 PM on 05/28/2011
I think I understand the gist of the author's article, but I am uncomfortable with her title.

I recognize, as the author does, the fact that life is a mass of contradictions. Green is not an all-or-nothing decision. In large measure, Green has to come from corporate and government decisions which make options available to people at a reasonable cost. There will always be trade-offs -- whether one has children or not.

Not every personal choice has to be seen as a potential environmental catastrophe. After all, you have the ability to choose from options you are given. In some cases, there is no "right" answer. Maybe being Green is also about being compassionate toward those with fewer choices and resources?

In any case, my wife and I have raised our four children to respect the environment and the world around them, not just to take it for granted. Perhaps being Green can also be about making our children aware of a problem we just cannot handle by ourselves, so that as things progress, they might be able to do a better job.

There is no hypocrisy in being Green and making babies. After all, we are a part of the world now, and we will be even after we die, as our children strive to make things better for their children.
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05:03 PM on 05/27/2011
Human beings are a taint to this planet. We are unnecessary. That's the simply, rational, unemotional truth. That's what gets me about you Green Breeders. You are just soooooo emotional about it all, that you don't understand that emotionality is part of the problem. For every mother thinking Green, there are 10 more thinking "OMG MY BABY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE WORLD." Our emotional attachment to having families is what makes us the selfish terrible animals that we are. Everyone agrees that we are overpopulated, but they also claim an absolute right to breed. So good luck with that one.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
02:35 PM on 05/28/2011
Perhaps what you say is correct -- though I would hardly call it an unemotional statement. Human beings are a part of this world. Neither you nor I seem likely to voluntarily leave to reduce the world of the burden of us. When you get hungry, it is important to you to get something to eat. If you are cold, it is important to you to get warm.

Every being on the planet operates from a selfish imperative. Does that make mosquitoes terrible? Does that make us terrible?

I don't even think it makes you terrible. We all just need to try to think a bit more about others, and possibly not be too judgmental of those who think somewhat differently. Maybe we don't even have to be too harshly judgmental of ourselves or our species. At least as human beings we have a capacity to be aware of what we are doing and have the ability to change.
06:31 PM on 05/26/2011
The problem is that for each person that actually stops and ponders their potential offsprings' incremental carbon footprints, there are 10,000 with whom the notion would NEVER occur. Carbon footprints will continue to multiplying exponentially unless that whole ratio somehow polarized.

The plot of the film Idiocracy comes to mind.
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01:56 PM on 05/27/2011
My wife is a social worker. She deals with lots of 5 children families born to dysfunctional families.

Idiocracy is more true than you think, and I think makes a pretty good point about procreation.

All these smart, thoughtful people who get brainwashed into misanthropic, child-hating behaviors are not healthy for society, nor themselves.
07:12 PM on 05/27/2011
I only wish the smart and thoughtful would have children at the rate the ignorant and reckless do. There's a reason that film was hushed so much at debut, it hit too close to home.
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Tea-Partiers are really Neo-Birchers
04:02 PM on 05/26/2011
I find a false equivalence going on in the way in which this article is presented.
Being green is a way of life, a philosophy that says that preserving the earth and it's resources is a good idea, and should be taught to children.
The straw man argument here is the false choice of either:

1. "Don't have children, any of us. The problem is us and we must fight our instincts to fix it."
2. "Don't be green or even try, because it's a useless effort. Being green is hypocritical anyway."

Having fewer children also works. Having zero children is not realistic. It didn't work for the Shakers. Teaching children about science and ways of finding solutions to difficult problems is a way to fix the problem. If only those who don't give a damn about how their actions impact the planet and others have children, then who is going to grow up and be taught otherwise? It pretty much ensures that the problem will never get solved. Not in time anyway.
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07:05 PM on 05/26/2011
In the long term, having zero children will not work (not for the human race, that is. It would work fine for the rest of the planet). But in the short term, until the population comes down to a sustainable level, having between zero and two children is essential. We need a readjustment period to balance the enormous increase in population we have just had in the past two hundred years. So at least another two hundred years into the future? As for your concern about educating the children that are going to be born, that needs to be done through a large-scale education program on these issues, world-wide.
01:34 AM on 05/27/2011
False equivalence?!?! Put that in your book. For now you should just work on understanding different perspectives.

The author obviously has a child. The author is obviously conflicted by the realities of the world. The tone is (to use the word again) obviously sarcastic, and that makes your pretentious language confusing. Because BEING GREEN is not one-dimensional - thats the point you're missing. Extremism on either end is ignorant. So thumbs up to anyone, man or woman, who can address their contradictions intelligently.
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Renifer
Tea-Partiers are really Neo-Birchers
03:02 PM on 05/27/2011
Socrates Johnson,
You with zero fans and a bad attitude have come here to tell me that:

1. I'm hypocritical - see my original post where I say that some will say that "Being green is hypocritic­al anyway." You have proven my point.
The article assumes, as you do Socrates, that not only are there only two extremes, but that I'm one of the extremists. Wrong on both counts.

2. You lecture me that I am "one dimensional". I suggest that you look in the mirror, as your argument is that I'm and extremist, which is very one dimensional, black and white style linear and concrete thinking. I'm and abstract thinker, and I suggested other solutions instead of what I see as an either/or dilemma, which is what this article presents. It's bogus.

3. That there is no difference between disagreeing with a viewpoint and understanding it. Talk about one dimensional thinking, and you call yourself Socrates!
I might remind you that Socrates, while a great teacher, clung blindly to the belief that the Sun revolved around the Earth. I can disagree and still "understand" a viewpoint. They are two different things.

I use phrases like "false equivalence", to conserve words. I'm not elitist, it means that I'm educated and want to conserve words and still get my point across. There is a word count here. Sorry that I bothered you. I try to type more words and slower next time. ;)
02:54 PM on 05/26/2011
No, Brad, that is not the ultimate reason. That is just a selfish cop-out. Blah blah blah the world only exists for humans, you sound like a Christian.
01:34 AM on 05/26/2011
Some great points, Toni. I like Doug Stanhope's criticism of the sanctimonious hypocrisy that is so much a part of any powerful movement. But, the one thing that I think you have to remember is that being green is all about the human factor. Ultimately, being green is important because it creates the conditions for as many humans as possible to exist, as happily as possible and for as long as possible. Check out my writing on the subject in mediapost marketing: green. There's a post in there called "Too err -make that green- is to be human." Cheers Brad
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03:58 PM on 05/27/2011
" Ultimately­, being green is important because it creates the conditions for as many humans as possible to exist, as happily as possible and for as long as possible.".

I agree with that. I think the environmental movement has in many ways lost touch with this sentiment, and has become essentially misanthropic.

Certainly, characters like Ed Abbey were notorious misanthropes, and would also surely take umbrage with your sentiment.
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Cachinnation makes the whirled unbound
07:25 PM on 05/25/2011
Doug Stanhope does a great one on vasectomies as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hr2bbiAbcY
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cachinnatrix
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07:23 PM on 05/25/2011
I first saw this clip months ago also, and have been sharing it with many people. I recall going to an Earth Day celebration years ago... dozens of "eco babies" were frolicking on the grass, and there was not a soul at the overpopulation awareness booth. The hypocrisy of many who call themselves environmentalists needs to receive more attention.
06:45 PM on 05/25/2011
I found my self doing the exact same thing after I saw this Stanhope video a few months back. Why should I spend the rest of my lifetime conserving ... doing the smallest little things every day of my life to chip in toward a cleaner environment when my efforts are not only nullified but nullified by times 20 over when the neighbors have just one more child.
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hazyafternoonsunshine
Life's a ball, buster!
04:40 PM on 05/25/2011
Oh come on! What an ugly vitriolic unhelpful rant. Mother earth bats last. For those of you who wish not to pass on your DNA, fine, but don't blame your problems on those of us who do. If he is so concerned about overpopulation, he can always opt out.
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nzchicago
07:12 PM on 05/26/2011
"don't blame your problems on those of us who do." so you believe that the destruction of the environment is not your problem, only someone else's? Interesting...ironically, if it is anyone's problem, it will be your children's and their children's.

I don't think the issue , for most "greenies", is about "passing on DNA", but since you mention it, why do you "wish to pass on your DNA?" Just curious.

Also, successfully or not, I think the article and the video are meant to be comedy, so they are exaggerating for comic effect.
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hazyafternoonsunshine
Life's a ball, buster!
03:11 AM on 06/01/2011
Indigenous Americans have a duty to re-populate this continent. I just love the comments that suggest that people with more resources should reproduce more (read rich white people), and people with fewer resources should reproduce less (read poor brown people). The right and ability to reproduce has at various times in our country's history been denied and discouraged one way or another to people of color. And yet we persist. Family is important to us. We have no material wealth, but the wealth of our families far surpasses the material wealth of our childless neighbors. As far as the destruction of the environment is concerned, the poisoning of the waters and air is a gift of the colonizers, not the indigenous people. We continue to work for global healing, while European-Americans continue to develop more efficient methods of exploiting, depleting, and consuming resources.
04:04 PM on 05/25/2011
no crotchlings for me thankss:) i TOTALLY agree with this guy
06:20 PM on 05/25/2011
thank you! ... drive all the Hummers you want now and by all means ... let the water run when your brush your teeth.
08:08 PM on 05/25/2011
i cant lol i dont have a car!
04:02 PM on 05/25/2011
LOL welp i always wanted to adopt children, never shit them out myself. that is REALLY giving back to the world. i think having your own baby is actually kinda selfish when you think of all the kids out there who have nothing.
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08:40 PM on 05/27/2011
I take it you're not a parent.

If you ever do become a parent (adoption or otherwise) I doubt you will find the experience "selfish".
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Julia Bailey
10:49 AM on 06/01/2011
I think you missed the point of the article. The article says having children is selfish and uses up way more resources than anything you can counter by being green.
I'm not saying its right, just saying you're commenting looks like you don't know what you are commenting on.
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03:44 PM on 05/25/2011
The "contradiction" here doesn't exist, if you, fundamentally, a humanitarian above all.

I love the human race, I want to see it thrive, and put it's health and happiness above the survival of other life forms.

That said, I can find a lot of common ground with environmentalists. I abhor coal industry, and the absurd extent to which they are allowed to (indirectly) dump toxins into the ocean. I hate car culture, and would love to see more bus, bicycle and pedestrian transit.

And I hate the deprivation and misery that comes from over population, particularly among impoverished people who are least capable of managing 5+ child families.

But when the birth of a healthy child to a loving, responsible and well prepared parent is seen as something other than a cause for celebration, that's a sure sign that society has lost some fundamental connection to the concept of humanitarianism.
04:27 PM on 05/25/2011
You want to be carbon neutral? Kill yourself because anything else is merely for show.
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cachinnatrix
Cachinnation makes the whirled unbound
07:27 PM on 05/25/2011
Simply not procreating is almost as effective and a little less drastic ;-)
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08:20 PM on 05/25/2011
I don't think that type of comment is interesting or meaningul.

There are lots of ways to enjoy your life without leaving a large footprint. I choose to do those things, and demonstrate them for my children in the hopes they will eventually choose the same.

A lot of being green overlaps with recognizing that society pressures you to overconsume. Resisting this pressure and carving your own path is good role modeling, whether or not you have children.
02:22 PM on 05/25/2011
"I feel powerless in a greater system that doesn't offer enough options to live without impact."

Oh come on. How about using condoms? You had the choice not to have kids, and decided your personal wants were more important than the environment. You're lying to yourself to suggest otherwise. I force myself to not eat meat, and never travel using planes, despite LOVING both these items, so you can certainly do without a luxury item like a baby. Don't blame others, when clearly you regard your enjoyment above that of the common good of the planet.

People who're convinced they're green and doing good are perhaps even worse than those who don't care, as the latter group hasn't patted itself on the back for tiny, inconsequential actions they take to "help". Most eco-types are pretty deluded and convince themselves they're playing their part... before jetting off abroad, maybe driving their car (of any sort, let alone an SUV), or even eating a nice steak.
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cachinnatrix
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07:00 PM on 05/25/2011
Bravo! I also scoff at the last sentence of the article: "Or maybe our kids will one day figure it all out and solve this mess." Yeah, just keep procreating and let the next generations figure it out.
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02:10 AM on 05/26/2011
Some day you will be old and sick, and the "luxury baby", that was raised by someone else with great time and difficulty, will care for you and make your last few years more comfortable.

But you are probably not bright enough to appreciate the irony.