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Vicki Larson

Vicki Larson

Posted: January 24, 2011 02:58 AM

I had been following the on-again, off-again, on-again divorce of Sean Penn and Robin Wright for a while, not because I'm celeb crazed but because before Penn took off for Haiti and Wright to L.A., they lived just a few miles from me. I sometimes would see Wright around town, looking like any other San Francisco Bay Area yummy mommy shopping at Whole Foods or checking out the guitars at the local music shop, just much more famous and a heck of a lot richer.

So when I read Penn's complaint to the Hollywood Reporter a few weeks ago that he'd been "taken for one half of everything I had in the divorce," I had to laugh -- "Well, what did you expect, if you carry on like that?" -- and I had a flashback to my own divorce a few years prior.

Like Wright, there were affairs and other shenanigans. Like Wright, we tried to salvage the marriage. Like Wright, I was the one who finally said, "I want a divorce" -- the hardest words I ever had to say. And, like Penn, my then-husband was dumbfounded -- "You're leaving me?"

Yes, I was, and that's because he was doing everything that looked like leaving me except the actual leaving part.

Men, evidently, don't leave.

As it turns out, it's -- sadly -- the only thing Wright and I do share, but it's something we have in common with a lot of other marital splits. Women ask for divorce two-thirds more often than men. But it isn't so much because the wives woke up one day and "fell out of love" or realized they had "different values or lifestyles," as many 50-something men who initiated divorce told AARP in a survey a few years back.

No, something else is clearly happening. It may be true that men don't leave but you have to look at why women do; as Frank Lloyd Wright once wisely said, "The truth is more important than the facts."

So what is going on?

According to the National Marriage Project, formerly at Rutgers University, now at the University of Virginia, a lot:

"Two-thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. One recent study found that many of the reasons for this have to do with the nature of our divorce laws. For example, in most states women have a good chance of receiving custody of their children. Because women more strongly want to keep their children with them, in states where there is a presumption of shared custody with the husband the percentage of women who initiate divorces is much lower. Also, the higher rate of women initiators is probably due to the fact that men are more likely to be "badly behaved." Husbands, for example, are more likely than wives to have problems with drinking, drug abuse, and infidelity."

Last year proved to be a bumper crop of "badly behaved" husbands. Just ask Sandra Bullock, Elin Nordegren, and Eva Longoria. But if the gals didn't file for divorce, would Jesse, Tiger, or Tony have dumped them and perhaps shacked up with the other woman -- or, in some cases, women? Probably not.

A few authors who've paid attention to those sorts of things cite some rather pathetic statistics that "the other woman" should pay attention to: about 3 percent of cheating men marry their lovers, according to Jan Halper (Quiet Desperation: The Truth About Successful Men) and about 75 percent of those marriages end up in divorce, according to Frank Pitman (Private Lies: Infidelity and the Betrayal of Intimacy).

So, is it a case of guys having their cake and eating it, too? I don't know, but there does seem to be some sort of disconnect between actions and reactions.

Of course, affairs aren't the only reason women file for divorce more than men. And Penn certainly isn't the only man lamenting that "it's not like I don't have to work"; men lose a lot in divorce, not just money and houses, but often access to their kids. That's not OK, either.

Still, you'd think that sober reality alone would be enough to shape up all that "bad" behavior. Instead, what it's probably doing is keeping a lot of young men from wanting to get married in the first place; with about half of marriages ending in divorce, saying "I do" is a big financial gamble for them.

And, sure, there are many, many "badly behaved" women out there. But at least if they cheat, most of them -- 55 percent, according to Susan Shapiro Barash (A Passion for More: Wives Reveal the Affairs That Make or Break Their Marriages) -- have the decency to leave.

 
 
 

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I had been following the on-again, off-again, on-again divorce of Sean Penn and Robin Wright for a while, not because I'm celeb crazed but because before Penn took off for Haiti and Wright to L.A., th...
I had been following the on-again, off-again, on-again divorce of Sean Penn and Robin Wright for a while, not because I'm celeb crazed but because before Penn took off for Haiti and Wright to L.A., th...
 
 
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
09:43 PM on 01/30/2011
Women (generally) are much more complex then men. So complex in fact that they often don't even fully understand what motivates themselves.
Men are much simpler. Wake up, eat, go be a slave for as few hours as possible, come home, eat, watch TV, have a few laughs, a good orgasm, go to sleep, repeat.
Women not only need motivation for many things they do but look to friends and close family members to explain some of that motivation to them.
For me, the best example is summed up as follows:
Years ago I broke up with a serious girlfriend. She said, "can we still be friends? I'm still friends with most of my exes. . "
I said: "Well, I am not friends with any of my exes, but, hey, why not. . "
PS> I called her twice after that. She never lifted a finger to maintain the friendship.
Too complected.
10:11 PM on 02/01/2011
Men are much simpler. "Wake up, eat, go be a slave for as few hours as possible, come home, eat, watch TV, have a few laughs, a good orgasm, go to sleep, repeat."

Maybe the problem is that such a man gets no satisfaction from helping others, such as helping his children, or engaging with his wife where she as well gets a few laughs, a good orgasm, and a good night's sleep?

If it's all about you and what you take from others, no wonder the marriage doesn't last. Would you put up with this from a woman? If she "woke up, went to work, came home, ate food you prepared, watched her TV shows, had a few laughs (perhaps at your expense or otherwise indifferently to you), used you for an orgasm, went to sleep, and repeated." And you meanwhile were doing all the unpaid work of caring for children and the home? How would you like that? Wouldn't you want out of a marriage set up like that?
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
12:35 PM on 02/02/2011
I don't know why you turned this into a personal attack. My observations were based on experience with the entire society. Are they generalizations? Sure. But I submit they are accurate as generalizations go. I am in a 12 year marriage with one small daughter and all I can tell you is that our friends seem to be having many more problems then ourselves.
"Would you put up with this from a woman?"
Its a rhetorical question because the core premise of my statement was that women and men are differently motivated. Men generally have to put up with women being motivated by hormones, friend's opinions, and other unstable factors. Women generally have to put up with men being motivated by what they anticipate their next meal to consist of. I did not invent this situation. You do not like it, take it up with God (or "mother nature") as is your preference. Or if you prefer, debate the accuracy of my generalizations.
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Titanshanks
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09:08 PM on 01/30/2011
"women more strongly want to keep their children with them" than what? Than men want to? Than they want to leave the marriage? No stats to back up statements? Not all that much to learn here.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
11:32 PM on 01/30/2011
@Titanshanks — That's a direct quote from the study done by the National Marriage Project, founded in 1997 and with a strong marriage-only agenda, when it was at Rutgers University and directed by David Popenoe and Barbara Dafoe Whitehead (it's now at the University of Virginia and directed by W. Bradford Wilcox). You can find all its research here: www.virginia.edu/marriageproject

That said, I know many dad who would love to keep their kids with them, so I don't necessarily agree with this statement.
09:43 PM on 02/01/2011
Titanshanks-

Yes, thanks for pointing this out.

Wilcox is a Christian conservative, I think, who does not believe in emotional engagement or childcare by the father. He advocates the male breadwinner/wife at home model and thinks men should be entitled to "high salaries." The full burden of parenting and unpaid family work is placed on the mother except perhaps for discipline by the father.

I wish more men would not have children unless they "strongly want them." The children feel it when the father does not want them.
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08:39 PM on 01/30/2011
I'm glad to hear women are leaving marriages that don't work for them. My mother stayed with an abuser because the local pastor told her that good Christian women committed for life, and that it was her responsibility to keep him from being violent.
07:28 PM on 02/02/2011
You bring up an important point. Women leave moreso than men in contemporary life because they finanlly are able--abuse (physical or verbal) is no longer a woman's burden to be borne for the sake of goodness knows what; women are allowed to work without stigma and so are able to support themselves financially; and women who are single are no longer social outcasts.

Thank goodness.
08:33 PM on 01/30/2011
The reason women leave more is because they have most of the power in a relationship. Unless a man can use money to make the woman dependent, he has no ultimate say in the relationship.
08:38 PM on 01/30/2011
They also have far more options, generally. If a woman is under 80 and has a generally healthy appearance, all she needs do is let it be known that she's single, and she'll have at least 5 to 10 potential suiters in no time. A man, unless he's Brad Pitt and very wealthy, knows he can and will be rejected for things as trivial as wearing the wrong color socks, so he has more stake in staying in a marriage.
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lonesometx
Please don't take me out with a drone, Pres. O
08:16 PM on 01/30/2011
After reading some of the comments here I remembered this lyric:

"If there's war between the sexes
Then there will be no people left"

Joe Jackson
Real Men

There's enough bad people of both sexes to make one sigh...
07:28 PM on 01/30/2011
Women shop, men buy
05:16 PM on 01/30/2011
Have your ex spouse deny you your court order visitation right and see how low on the priority list this issue will be in the family court system.
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booboo111
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04:36 PM on 01/30/2011
Other than for having children, there really is no reason for marriage.
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petef59
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04:33 PM on 01/30/2011
Look at the research about how many husbands contribute to 'household chores'. Also, look at internet match sites and see how many women put height as one of the major factors for choosing dates. You pick 'em for physical attributes and you're surprised when you get the male versions of spoiled princesses?
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Pavane
I pick my battles and walk from the rest.
03:06 AM on 01/31/2011
Hi petef ... from what I've seen on dating sites, men want someone slender, sexy and classy .Typically, these guys post a photograph showing themselves in a messy room and dressed in hanes t-shirt, bald with pot bellies and sporting some silly moustache.

What women wants this? Now here's the thing ... probably most of these men are good guys.. And they would probably help with the chores. But ... they want a fantasy Barbie and hard working women have other ideas.

(It's late, I'm tired, and I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say ... but hello anyway)
04:19 PM on 01/30/2011
It's great to read articles that take responsibility away from women and blame the men.
You know, because women are such an oppressed minority group today in this country.
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Vicki Larson
Journalist, mother, thinker
06:39 PM on 01/30/2011
@huffpostreader10000 — for the record, I am not taking responsibility away from women. I am stating what researchers have discovered; you can read into their findings whatever you want. Plus, I wrote: "there are many, many "badly behaved" women out there."
04:17 PM on 01/30/2011
Women only have a limited time span to breed.
 
So if they feel they can find a better father for their children, they move on
 
We men on the other hand can breed virtually until the moment we drop dead.
 
 
There's also the "Eat Pray Love" mindset of "I want more from life" (translation = a trip to Sri Lanka and maybe some pilates).
 
Whereas male needs are basically 1- food, 2- sex, and 3- watching sport.
 
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booboo111
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04:33 PM on 01/30/2011
.....and golf, don't forget golf.
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04:56 PM on 01/31/2011
{giggles}
11:18 AM on 02/04/2011
and beer too! don't forget beer!
09:49 PM on 02/01/2011
"We men on the other hand can breed virtually until the moment we drop dead."

Have you not heard about chromosomal deterioration of sperm? Genetic birth defects are much higher in children of men over age 35; this is why many sperm banks don't take donations from men over 35.

Also, autism is much more common in children of men over age 35; it's not known whether this is genetic detioration or socialized (the father may be narcissistic himself) or both.

Do a google search and you'll get some hits on the topic. There have been article in the New York Times, National Geographic, a book called "The Male Biological Clock."

And this doesn't even discuss the trauma and neglect that can happen to children with older fathers if they die or become incapacitated or don't have the energy to be good fathers.
01:19 AM on 02/02/2011
I said we could breed.
 
I didn't say we could breed without consequence.
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ligligl
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03:24 PM on 01/30/2011
Then women wonder why men can't commit? To women today, marriage is like a date, and if they get pissed off over something, they take their kids, the lion;s share of the marriage assets, and it is on to the next stupid man. I blame the legal system that was originally designed to equalize the plaing field and now is heavily weighted toward women. So the family breaks down and the kids are confused. Morals break down, and everyone in society is only out for themselves. Congratulations, America is now destroyed. Now let's see if the Chinese can do any better.
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isee61
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03:10 PM on 01/30/2011
Men don't think that nothing is wrong until the woman packs her bags and take the kids with her. Then and only then will the man wake up to know that something is truly wrong. (of course the woman has been talking their heads off, but men seem to tune talk out, they only respond to action and by then it's too late)
02:17 PM on 01/30/2011
Just to let you know, men do not often lose access to the kids. Because of the Men's Movement, more and more fathers receive custody even if they have never been the primary caregiver. Here's some scary statistics for any of you out there with a combative husband, and who are considering divorce- Woman receive custody most of the time because men normally do not sue for custody, but when they do- men receive custody almost 80% of the time.

They do not have to prove the mother as 'incapable.' Often, they have more money to extend the process of custody determination and let's face it- the court system is patriarchal.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
03:29 PM on 01/30/2011
Ooh scary, men are starting to be awarded custody.
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irishdoc
It's not me..it's you. Really
05:07 PM on 02/26/2011
It is sad that controlling men end up being allowed to control there violence and intimidation with the full backing of family courts. Our family courts are in crisis.
02:13 PM on 01/30/2011
They probably got frustrated when the men wouldn't react to their nagging any more, and they were forced to find a new victim. I speak from experience.
03:27 PM on 01/30/2011
What you characterize as "nagging" may well have been her attempt to address problems in the marriage, which you blithely ignored . . . just as you disrespected her by blowing off her "nagging". If you continue that pattern, you're unlikely to be successful at marriage with anyone other a doormat who has low expectations from marriage. Good luck with that.
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Kalifornika
09:01 PM on 01/30/2011
Or it may have been nagging.
11:27 AM on 02/04/2011
When a woman has a problem, its a problem in the marriage. When a man has a problem he'd better get himself together and deal with it. LOL! You're equating a woman's problem with a marriage problem, and they are not the same. If women were not so selfish they would see that as far as he is concerned, he doesn't see a problem in the marriage, but only a problem with the woman. It is not the responsibility of a man to make his wife happy. Being happy is something we do for ourselves. So if a woman is not happy and she complains to her husband, he knows that she is the only one that can make herself happy. So what the heck is she complaining to him about her unhappiness for? That, my friend is what we call nagging!