Will Hillary Rain on Obama's Parade?

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Posted August 18, 2008 | 04:27 AM (EST)



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The story I'd been hearing for some time has finally emerged in the mainstream media: namely that Hillary Clinton, her husband, Bill, and many of her major financial supporters, known as "bundlers" are so livid at what they see as underhanded -- I've even heard it called "vindictive" -- play by the Obama team, that it's been suggested the Clintons intend to eviscerate what ought to be Obama's coronation at the Democratic Party Convention in Denver next week.

There are reports that there will be a roll-call for delegates, in the hope that this crystallizes the magnitude of Hillary's support.

Inevitably, all it would realistically do is highlight the rawness of the wounds from this year's campaign trail battle -- which is precisely what Obama wants to move on from.

The Clintons are doing their best to resist him.

Only a week ago, an effort was made by Hillary's supporters at the Democratic National Committee's platform committee in Pittsburgh to abolish caucuses, not least because Clinton's supporters have long alleged that Obama won in Iowa -- the crucial first caucus (where Hillary came third) because Obama supporters were bussed in from Illinois.

The efforts in Pittsburgh were rebuffed, but resentment lingers.

One New York-based Hillary bundler told me he is upset that Obama has not raised more than the half a million dollars he promised towards helping her clear her debts. (She still is $25 million in the red). He won't be "bundling" for Obama.

Apparently he is not alone.

As of June 30th, only 10 of the 300 or so big Clinton bundlers had switched camps. (There has been some movement in July but it is said by sources to be insignificant.)

Also, angered Clintonites say they still hold a grudge towards David Axelrod, Obama's campaign chief, who sent an email to reporters highlighting Hillary's "I will continue" speech back in May, where she had alluded to Bobby Kennedy's assassination.

"For Obama to come out, as he did, and say 'we think it's a non-story' was ridiculous" says one Clinton backer. "Axelrod was the one pushing the story."

But Clinton's biggest gripe remains Obama's hiring of Patti Solis Doyle, Hillary's former campaign chief, and the declaration that Solis Doyle would be chief of staff to whomever Obama picks as Vice President.

"That," says someone close to the Clintons, was "interpreted as personal. To appoint the VP's chief of staff months before you've picked a VP is highly unusual -- particularly given the fractious relationship between Patti and Hillary. It was as good as telling Hillary "It's not going to be you."

From Obama's perspective, one wonders, is he mad or clever, giving both Clintons the stage in prime time consecutive nights before he speaks at the Convention?

One thing is for sure. When he finally appears in Denver, his speech needs to be better than his best. It isn't just the times that call for more than a rockstar. His party does too.

This article was originally published by the London Evening Standard

The story I'd been hearing for some time has finally emerged in the mainstream media: namely that Hillary Clinton, her husband, Bill, and many of her major financial supporters, known as "bundlers" ar...
The story I'd been hearing for some time has finally emerged in the mainstream media: namely that Hillary Clinton, her husband, Bill, and many of her major financial supporters, known as "bundlers" ar...
 
 

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- ebbtide See Profile I'm a Fan of ebbtide permalink

The Clintons are old and washed up. This last gasp is an indication that they simply cannot believe they are not the divas they imagine themselves to be, of the Democratic party. Slowly they will fade. It already seems to be happening,.. Her running up of a debt in her campaign, recklessly, and the follow up to suggest, yea, even suggest that Obama for some reason must pay off her stupidly reckless spending debt, shows us what exactly this tag team running for president is about. Not the people of the United States, but, taaa daaa, the Clintons!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 08/20/2008
- MizLiz See Profile I'm a Fan of MizLiz permalink

I just can't believe that there are as many really stupid stubborn women out there as the Clintons like to portray. I'm an old woman myself, and I may not live to see a female president. Well, so what? I want to see a string of GOOD presidents, who will undo this terrible mess we have going and restore our government. I really think the Clintons are wildly exaggerating this huge monolithic voting bloc purely for their own ends and ambition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 08/19/2008
- Freesia2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Freesia2 permalink

"I'm an old woman myself, and I may not live to see a female president. Well, so what? I want to see a string of GOOD presidents"

Thank you for that MizLiz. I'm a 45 year old woman. I don't vote for ovaries. Anymore than I vote for skin color. I want to vote for a good President. And when the right woman comes along no one will have to position her as a poster child for women in order to push for her election. She'll just obviously be a good President to the majority of voters.

Thanks for that post. You have a good way of thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 08/19/2008
- lincat See Profile I'm a Fan of lincat permalink

I wish that Obama wasn't letting the Clintons speak at the convention after reading that Clinton praised McCain's energy policy. I don't trust them at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/19/2008
- ceti See Profile I'm a Fan of ceti permalink

While I do not support Obama nor the Democrats who have shown themselves to be enablers of corporatism and militarism in this country, the Hillary camp's treachery will go down in the annals of history as one of the most underhanded and self-destructive acts since the Roman elites began killing each other for a shot at becoming Emperor.

The country is teetering on the precipice and McCain is clearly paving the way for nuclear Armageddon. If the Hillary supporters, or PUMAs or whatever these rich windbags are called, continue to destroy Obama who provides the best chance to bringing America back from the brink, then the apocalypse will be on their heads and maybe 2012 will be a real deadline for planet Earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 08/19/2008
- gigi09 See Profile I'm a Fan of gigi09 permalink

ceti...let me clarify one thing, most of PUMAS are not rich! (please link below) If the truth be told, they are poor to middleclass at best, that are being driven not by the fact that our economy is in ruins, the price of gas is ridiculas, we are losing jobs, no healthcare, we are losing our homes, and these silly people (the Clintons/Supporters) would rather selfisly divide the party to prove their point. I say let them come, and it is my prayer that we will hand the Clintons their plate along with the tarnished legacy they will leave behind. We are so tired of them. They are a bunch of sick people. Obama 08!

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/the_truth_about_puma_conference_08_you_cant_spell_conference_without_c_o_n/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 08/20/2008
- WFV See Profile I'm a Fan of WFV permalink

Let's address all the gripes raised in the column...

Caucuses: Not a problem, until they cost them the election. Now, they're huge.

Debts: Shouldn't have misspent so much in the first place. Should I cry and ask someone to pay my debt for me? If she had shown even a hint of enthusiasm for the presumptive nominee, she would have gotten more help with her debt. Where, oh where are the pooooomas now?

Axelrod: It wasn't DA who brought up the morbid idea - the queen herself uttered those horrific comments. You said it, own it. He just commented on it - and by the way, it wasn't a non-story, it was absolute desparation and a pathetic choice.

Patti: She was mistreated and fired. This is still a free country, right? She went home and joined a winning campaign. If it was so personal, they should have kept the person.

I am looking forward to the Queen and her Royal Knave running right into obscurity after the convention. It serves them well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 08/19/2008
- FebM See Profile I'm a Fan of FebM permalink

Another example of paid republicans planting seeds of discord.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 08/19/2008
- foreffectivegovernment See Profile I'm a Fan of foreffectivegovernment permalink

Now come on people, don't you think this campaign has demonstrated how stupid it was for the first viable African-American and the first Woman to run against each other. Logic says that Hillary Clinton should have been given priority simply because of the age and experience factors. Hillary Clinton could have beaten McCain, served 8 years while Obama learned where the restrooms are and how to at least use the phones in the Senate building, and then Obama could have been the first African-American President for 8 more years. Sixteen years is about what it will take to right the wrongs in our Government now.
Possibly Jesse Jackson, Jr. or Deval Patrick could have been groomed for the Presidency by then and we could have two African-American Presidents in a row. Think how historic and cool that would be.
Instead, we will be lucky to get and keep the Presidency for 4 years the way things are developing now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 08/19/2008
- MizLiz See Profile I'm a Fan of MizLiz permalink

Jesse Jackson? Are you kidding? you think Obama's going to have trouble with the under-educated white voters, just you think a minute about how galvanized they'd be if Jackson were running. Nonononono.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 08/19/2008
- Mesaywar See Profile I'm a Fan of Mesaywar permalink

Are you serious? Given priority? Just because she was born first and Bill Clinton's wife?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 08/19/2008
- cog1000 See Profile I'm a Fan of cog1000 permalink

Not logic. Sense of entitlement. Get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 08/19/2008
- standard See Profile I'm a Fan of standard permalink

"Logic says that Hillary Clinton should have been given priority simply because of the age and experience factors."

At best, that's the logic of "There's no substantive difference between the two." when there is. At worst, it's the logic of folks who have canonized Mrs. Clinton and want what they want now--and are willing to denigrate anyone, even fellow Democrats, to get it. It's also the logic of preserving old-style politics (the opposite of change) and of electing an early supporter of the Iraq war (the opposite of hope).

Some of us were truly Hillary-neutral prior to the primaries and caucuses, but became so appalled by Mrs. Clinton's lies about herself and Sen. Obama that we became Obama supporters twice over: once to support a winner and once to oppose an embarrassment to the Party. In the end, she ran a losing campaign and so, lost her turn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 08/19/2008
- PioneerKing See Profile I'm a Fan of PioneerKing permalink

"One New York-based Hillary bundler told me he is upset that Obama has not raised more than the half a million dollars he promised towards helping her clear her debts. (She still is $25 million in the red). He won't be "bundling" for Obama."

If these supporters cared they would contribute to Obama's fundraisers for Hillary.

What is outrageous is that all the other canidates called it a day when their money ran out.

The Clintons went into debt to trash Obama and now expect him to pay for their undermining him as a viable canidate. This is bull.

If Hillary has so many supporters, then there shuld be a minimum of 10% of the 18 million who have not capped out who could each give an average of $25.00 to retire Hillary's debt. The people who claim they believe in Hillary should put up their financial support or shut up.

Every penny that Obama has to spend repaying Hillary's debt and hiring her staff and paying their back salary undermines Obama's campaign, it just plain and simple takes away from the financial resources that he has available to fight the republicans.

If Hillary's supporters are concerned about the democratic party and not simply bigots they would not be so divisive and antagonistic towards Sen. Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 08/19/2008
- Mesaywar See Profile I'm a Fan of Mesaywar permalink

The are only concerned about the Clinton party. Obama should have admitted this and moved on without them long ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 08/19/2008
- seakiev See Profile I'm a Fan of seakiev permalink

Your article states that Clinton's 'bundlers' don't want to raise money for Obama. I'm guessing that he's not that concerned since he just raised $51 million without them last month alone. His campaign not only out raised her in dollar terms, his campaign managed their finances much better, unlike the Clinton's who are now sending out emails asking us to donate in exchange for dinner with Hillary and Bill......I'd rather go McD's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 08/19/2008
- CitizenInformed See Profile I'm a Fan of CitizenInformed permalink

Yes, she certainly is trying to rain on his parade. Bad enough for a Democratic presidential candidate to have to go against the GOP machine, but to be sabotaged within your own party. It's disgraceful. I don't know whose face I'm more tired of seeing....the Clintons or Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 08/19/2008
- Darkdonnie See Profile I'm a Fan of Darkdonnie permalink

Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferro --- Barack Hussien Obama and Hilary Clinton

Both far left and heading for the same.... again!

Go Hilary Go Go Go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 08/18/2008
- NicoleW See Profile I'm a Fan of NicoleW permalink

I think the actions of the Clinton's are deplorable. Again, Hillary and Bill are taking the low road, instead of bowing out gracefully and let this event be rightly Obama's party. If they were to take the high road and do the classy thing, they would gain more respect in the long run... If they don't try an outright upset at the convention, then they will make some supportive speech, however, everyone will know it's a sham solely by the fact that they are vi eying for center stage. Personally I feel that they want Obama to lose, this would open the way for her 2012.... BTW she is in debt, where are her supporters??? If everyone of those millions of supporters gave a buck she would be practically out of debt....... guess she isn't worth a buck....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 08/18/2008
- murphysgirl See Profile I'm a Fan of murphysgirl permalink

I just want the Convention to be over!!

I'm tired of the talks of rolls calls and placing Clinton's name for nomination.

I'm tired of the whacko PUMAs yammering of how Obama stole the nomination and that Obama was sexist towards Hillary.

I'm tired of the 18 million votes playing card.

I'm tired of Clinton supporters claiming they're voting for McCain.

The bottom line is that the Democratic Party needs to come together for the purpose of moving the country forward. All of these childish tantrums about how Clinton should be the nominee will not bring our troops home faster, repair the economy, release our dependence on foreign oil, or focus our military troops more in Afghanistan.

Lamenting over Hillary constantly does nothing but distract Americans from realizing there's so much at stake in this election!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 08/18/2008
- RationalDem See Profile I'm a Fan of RationalDem permalink

The Clintons are selfish people who can't grasp that their death hold on the party is OVER. I wish they would both go away.

It's Obama's party, he's the party leader, get over it and get on board. His 50 state strategy has done more for Dems all over the country than anything the Clintons have ever done in their roles as party leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 08/18/2008
- becky See Profile I'm a Fan of becky permalink

Yes, I think Hillary is without question the smartest, strongest candidate. I would love to see
a democratic shake up and have Hillary come out the candidate for president. As you can tell by the polls, Obama is just barely hanging on.
And as Nurselady said, this isn't about Obama being coronated the king of the Dems. It's about ALL the history that happened in this election. Sorry Obama ran the same year a woman did. Obviously he doesn't know how to share. He should have waited and run against just men next time, then it could have been about Obama being the 1st African American running for president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 08/18/2008
- Mesaywar See Profile I'm a Fan of Mesaywar permalink

Smartest, strongest, candidate who still can't pay her bills all these months later, and lost the nomination. Right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 08/19/2008
- WFV See Profile I'm a Fan of WFV permalink

I am looking forward to Barack Obama having one opponent, rather than three.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 08/19/2008
- Freesia2 See Profile I'm a Fan of Freesia2 permalink

Are you well?

"Sorry Obama ran the same year a woman did. Obviously he doesn't know how to share. He should have waited and run against just men next time."

Share? Share? Share what? It's a competition.to be President. There's only one of those at a time. You don't split it like a popsicle with 2 sticks so nobody cries. You don't draw straws and take turns.

The competition is for anybody who wants to compete. He had a right to run against anybody on the roster. And if one of them happened to be a woman - tough.

And are you actually suggesting that for the feminist icon she claims to be, that he should have stepped aside for the little lady?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 08/19/2008
- coloradosiren See Profile I'm a Fan of coloradosiren permalink

Are you out of your mind? That is the most absurd notion I have read about the primary election. Hillary gave us all the impression she was ready for prime time and could stand the heat in the kitchen. That meant running against male candidates. Apparently you disagree with her. Perhaps she should have waited and ran against all women. Who knows when that will happen and then it could have been about Hillary being the 1st White female American running for president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 08/19/2008
- becky See Profile I'm a Fan of becky permalink

All of you just don't get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 08/19/2008
- smurphette See Profile I'm a Fan of smurphette permalink

oh becky, you sound so bitter want to make this a gender issue when you know it a race thing. I guess I should have waited to go to college because my goodness what about my long time next door neighbor whose nephew came over from el salvador in our senior year, and went out for the same scholarship as my two classmates since grade school all of which are of different ethnicity were shamelessly looked over. Why well let's see we worked hard and waited twelve long years. How long do you think we should have waited!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 08/18/2008
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