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Not Dead Experiences (NDEs)

  • Posted: 10/11/2012 3:20 PM
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Newsweek magazine can always be counted on to give us the latest scientific evidence for God. The cover of its October 7, 2012 issue proclaims, "Heaven is Real." Inside is the story of Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon and son of a neurosurgeon who writes:

"I had always believed there were good scientific explanations for the heavenly out-of-body journeys described by those who narrowly escaped death. ... Although I considered myself a faithful Christian, I was so more in name than in actual belief. I didn't begrudge those who wanted to believe that Jesus was more than simply a good man who had suffered at the hands of the world. I sympathized deeply with those who wanted to believe that there was a God somewhere out there who loved us unconditionally. In fact, I envied such people the security that those beliefs no doubt provided. But as a scientist, I simply knew better than to believe them myself."

But then in the fall of 2008, Dr. Alexander spent seven days in a coma and "experienced something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death." He had what is commonly called a near-death experience (NDE) in which an unconscious person whose brain is minimally functioning catches glimpses of what they are convinced is a world beyond -- heaven. Usually they see a tunnel with light at the other end, and often meet Jesus (if they are Christians) or Buddha (if they are Buddhists), and loved ones, dead or alive.

Dr. Alexander claims from his knowledge of the brain that his own glimpses of heaven occurred while his cortex was not just malfunctioning but totally shut down. He does not explain how he knows that his experience occurred during that time and not the period just after losing consciousness, or the period just before regaining consciousness, when his brain was almost if not fully functional. Furthermore, current brain monitoring technology does not preclude some undetected brain activity.

He writes, "According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent."

This is nothing more than the classic argument from ignorance, which forms the basis of almost all ostensibly scientific arguments for the existence of the supernatural. The argument from ignorance is a less polite but more descriptive name for the God-of-the-gaps argument. This argument often appears in dialogues on the existence of God or anything supernatural. Basically, it says: "I can't see how this [observed phenomenon] can be explained naturally; therefore it must be supernatural."

The flaw in the argument should be obvious. Just because someone--or even all of science--currently cannot provide a natural explanation for something, it does not follow that a natural explanation does not exist or will never be found. Indeed, the history of science is nothing more than the story of humanity filling in the gaps in its knowledge about the world of our senses. In the case of NDEs, plausible natural explanations do exist (Augustine, 2011).

Despite its worthlessness, the argument from ignorance continues to be the mainstay of religious apologetics. Nowhere is this more prevalent than in the argument from design, which goes back to Plato. Commonly one hears today, "I can't see how the eye could have evolved naturally; therefore it must have been designed by God."

Most recently, the argument from design has appeared in the form of the argument from fine-tuning: If the values of the parameters of physics were slightly different, life would not have been possible; thus they must have been fine-tuned by God to make life, and in particular, human life, possible.

According to our best scientific knowledge, the parameters of physics and cosmology are not so constrained that some form of life could not have formed over a wide range of parameters (Stenger 2011a). But even if this were not the case, no one has proven that a natural explanation for the constants of physics is forever beyond our reach.

Near-death experiences have been studied for over thirty years. Almost every year or two a book appears claiming incontrovertible proof of the afterlife based on NDEs. They are usually instant bestsellers. But they never convince anyone except those who want to be convinced because none present anything more than personal anecdotes such as those provided by Dr. Alexander. And, "anecdote" is not another name for "data."

In my own writing on the subject (Stenger 2011b, 2012), I have pointed out that the supernatural interpretation of near-death experiences, if true, can easily be verified scientifically. To provide a specific example, place a target such as a card with some random numbers on it on a high shelf facing the ceiling of the operating room so that it is unreadable not only to the patient on the table but to the hospital staff in the room. Then if a patient has an NDE that involves the commonly reported sensation of moving outside her body and floating above the operating table, she should be able to read that number.

This experiment has been tried several times without success. So have other attempts to provide verifiable evidence -- what researchers in the field call "veridical perception" (Holden 2009, p. 209). The principle is simple and can be applied to anyone who claims to have communicated with another world beyond matter. All that has to happen is a subject claiming such a communication return with some important piece of knowledge she could not have possibly known previously, such as the exact date and epicenter location of the future earthquake that will destroy Los Angeles.

Researchers in the field of near-death studies have honestly admitted that the evidence is still not there. The well-respected NDE researcher Kenneth Ring has written:

"There is so much anecdotal evidence that suggests [experiencers] can, at least sometime, perceive veridically during NDEs ... but isn't it true that in all this time there hasn't been a single case of a veridical perception reported by an NDEr under controlled conditions? I mean, thirty years later, it's still a null class (as far as we know). Yes, excuses, excuses--I know. But, really, wouldn't you have suspected more than a few such cases at least by now? (Holden 2009, p. 210)."

The way to defeat ignorance is with evidence. After thousands of reported religious experiences of various kinds, including near-death-experiences, no one has ever provided a single item of verified new knowledge.

I will be very surprised if Dr. Alexander gets his observations published in a reputable medical journal. No doubt his book, Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife, will do well.

References
Augustine, Keith 2011, "Halluncinatory Near-Death Experiences," Secular Web.

Holden, Janice Minor et al., eds., 2009, The Handbook of Near-Death Experiences: Thirty Years of Investigation, Praeger Publishers: Santa Barbara, CA; Denver, CO; Oxford England.

Stenger, Victor J. 2011a, The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: How the Universe is Not Designed for Us, Prometheus Books, Amherst, NY.

Stenger, Victor J. 2011b, "Life After Death: Examining the Evidence" In The End of Christianity, edited by John W. Loftus, Prometheus Books: Amherst, NY, pp. 305-32.

Stenger, Victor J. 2012, God and the Folly of Faith: The Incompatibility of Science and Religion, Prometheus Books: Amherst, NY.

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02:35 AM on 11/26/2012
guess i missed when Newsweak became supermarket tabloid.
thanks for taking this on Vic, albiet arguing logically with someone's belief
system is futile. So thanks, since yours is a generally a thankless task.
06:52 AM on 11/04/2012
Regarding "God of the Gaps". If we hypothesize a "big bang" at which time the physical comes into being, we hypothesize a start of time. The universal effect is postulated as having no physical cause as classically the concept of cause and effect is bound in time.

We may axiomatically adopt a cause that we cannot quantify or qualify and less so explain. This supposed power of bringing about physical existence,is super-physical and eternal (in the sense of outside time).

As a truth theorem (in the mathematical sense) it is absolute (ie the truth), or perhaps the reason and/or a ground (on which) if you adopt the axiom you may build a physical system of laws that relies on cause and effect. Absent this axiom there is no complete physics. So Occam would apply his razor and cut nothing away -
Thus it is not a god of the gaps but nominally God of the singular gap which science acknowledges. Rather than a desperate argument,it is a choice (akin to the zeroeth Law of Thermodynamics - adopted as it allows us to make some sense of something that otherwise makes no sense - for example entropy.
All axiom based systems eg Mathematics or Physics are built on this rock - ask Goedel. If you follow this argument you must withdraw your assertion - Thank you
10:10 AM on 10/31/2012
What is important about the many reported NDE's is not whether they prove the existence of an afterlife, but in the effect they tend to have (after perhaps twenty years of rumination) in the life of the person who experienced them.

Most of those people claim enhanced perspective, freedom from the typical superficial goals of society - money, status, etc. Instead their focus tends to shift toward a greater appreciation of human community over material acquisition, a view of time that transcends the common gridlock that dominates the schedules of ordinary people, and a calm acceptance of setbacks, disappointments, and even their own death when it finally happens for real. These people no longer fear death.

We don't need a scientific explanation to grant that NDE's often lead to an enhancement of whatever remaining years the person has on earth. That broadened perspective can only be seen as a gift, no matter what its cause.
03:14 AM on 10/25/2012
I think you are getting the NDE, muddled up with it's OBE component. Can't see much point in trying to see hidden targets during OBE component, much more likely a suddenly inactive but intact brain is temporarily susceptible to active fields from other people and sometimes tries to make sense of any visual data.

Inverse correlation between the strength of the subjects experience vs their brain's dormancy makes this more likely, and the occasional access to information the subject was not aware of at the time points to the source.

You only need to look at 30 years of experimental research by Albrecht-Buehler to see strong evidence of eukaryote cell to cell organisation via fields.
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02:45 PM on 10/24/2012
Science's dependence of evidence is not shared by religion or, at least, an informed religion. Yes, evidence is necessary for the practice of science. Religion is about worship. Unless science is promoting a worship of evidence, it has nothing to compare to religion. That seems so simple and straight-forward to me, I do not understand the relentlessness of a Stenger to try to find a basis for a negative comparison of science to religion.
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11:14 AM on 10/25/2012
"Religion is about worship." Yes, that's what's so disgusting about it. We're supposed to grovel before a vicious dictator who will cast us off to eternal fire if we don't.
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12:43 PM on 10/25/2012
There need be no groveling. Folksinger Bob Dylan says it another way, "You gotta serve somebody." Emerson wrote, "The gods we worship write their names on our faces. And be assured of this that a man will worship something."

The god you describe for religion is equivalent in science to still practicing alchemy. I assume you are familiar with Buddhism and Taoism where no anthropomorphic gods are observed. That has caught on in Western religion as well. You would know that if you had bothered to pay attention.
07:40 PM on 10/21/2012
While true, there is no absolute proof that NDE occurs, it's also true that there is no proof that it doesn't. It all comes down to faith, if you do not want to believe thousands of testimonials, then you will never believe, no matter what sort of prrof there is. A lot of people believe from personal experience, to them, that is all that is needed. I also take testimony over theory.
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02:14 AM on 10/20/2012
Mr. Stenger, with respect, Dr. Alexander did not seem to be the type to use his scientific post for a philosophical agenda one way or the other prior to this event... and so he did not throw a dart and then paint the bullseye around the dart... something physicists and cosmologists have occasionally been known to do when it comes to the God thing in particular. Should he have written that it was an amazing experience and that's that? Would that have been a disservice as a scientist, particularly if saying otherwise might offend some in the scientific community because of a so called "God delusion"?
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05:52 PM on 10/18/2012
Amen.
01:47 AM on 10/18/2012
The author is COMPLETELY wrong! Scientists HAVE done experiments, and people who have had NDE's HAVE seen things that were impossible under "normal" circumstances. MANY patients have accurately described what was going on in other physical locations from where there body was.

This author's problem is that he "Believes" that God does not exist, and no proof or scientific knowledge will change his mind!
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
09:48 AM on 10/18/2012
the author gives sources for the claims he's made so if he's being dishonest you can check up on him.

i can't help but notice that you didn't....

(oh yeah, since i have no doubt that you're going to do a bait and switch now, let's just stick to the scientific experiments that you are claiming, and not the hearsay and anecdotal evidence that you're going to try and sneak in there instead...)
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02:05 PM on 10/18/2012
atpcliff is COMPLETELY wrong. Even workers in the field admit, as I say in the article and give the reference, there has never been a "veridical" experience. Anecdotes are not evidence.

If atpcliff read anything I have ever written he or she will see that I have said over and over again: "Show the evidence and I will believe."
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10:10 PM on 10/19/2012
"...truly open mind means forcing imaginations to conform to evidence of reality, not vice versa, whether or not we like it." LM Krauss

in that case, does the convenient theory of symmetry breaking qualify as a means to justify something from nothing? this is the position of Dawkins, Krauss and many other even more noted scientists who may have imaginations of their own prior to a pure mathematical possibility... do atheists not occasionally throw a dart and then draw the bullseye? scientists want to define everything to the point of reducing human experience to a fantasyland. the human experience of Dr. Alexander came before his statement of experience which was while his cortex was completely shutdown. He did not throw the dart and then draw the bullseye... strict materialists or atheists are not the only ones playing darts when it comes answering questions about inception, or the hereafter for that matter. as i've said before, science does not define the boundaries of (as your peer Dr. Krauss has said for example) reality....
10:41 PM on 10/21/2012
What "evidence" would you accept?

As much as I despise politicos and religious leaders using religion, "god" and Jesus for their own benefits, I can't help wondering, "Is this all!!!!" (referring to life--not just mine, but everyone's). Got to be more...

That said, I still go by my political handle: "Keep your religious nose out of my secular business!"

But surly, YOU must have imagined a life after death--a more reasonably, civilized, peaceful, existance to the punishing one we now must live, then die?!?!?!?
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09:35 PM on 10/17/2012
I was given heavy-duty painkillers after oral surgery, and had much the same experience. But I didn't ascribe my profound feeling of well-being to any supernatural religion-based theory of heaven. I expect that my death experience will consist of "lights out!"
04:49 PM on 10/17/2012
I'm also curious as to why the self leaving ones body is a supernatural interpretation? I'm wondering if you're simply supposing a supernatural interpretation means an interpretation or explanation inconsistent with any type of materialist metaphysic?
04:47 PM on 10/17/2012
"In my own writing on the subject (Stenger 2011b, 2012), I have pointed out that the supernatural interpretation of near-death experiences, if true, can easily be verified scientifically. To provide a specific example, place a target such as a card with some random numbers on it on a high shelf facing the ceiling of the operating room so that it is unreadable not only to the patient on the table but to the hospital staff in the room. Then if a patient has an NDE that involves the commonly reported sensation of moving outside her body and floating above the operating table, she should be able to read that number".

Consider the gorilla video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo). I never noticed the gorilla because my attention was focused on how many times one of the teams was passing the ball. And the gorilla was right in front of my eyes!

Lets suppose, as you do, that our vision during the OBE is exactly like normal vision (And this is contrary to at least some reports). On discovering that apparently you are out of your body, your attention will be utterly transfixed on your body below. Kinda "OMG I'm dead and I think that's my body!!" Let's face it, the emotions you will experience will be profound. Unless the OBE lasts for some time then it seems to me to be extraordinarily unlikely you will explore your immediate environment and register meaningless numbers.
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08:54 PM on 10/17/2012
yet many of the claims include listening in on a conversation or reading a post it note. things that would seem trivial under the circumstances.. yet when science comes along it's suddenly too much to be bothered with...

there are an infinite number of excuses for the lack of evidence, just as there are an infinite number of improbable things to believe in without evidence.

that does not change the fact that without evidence, or even a practical explanation, there is no reason to assume these claims have merit.
06:36 AM on 10/18/2012
No reason to assume these claims have merit? I take the opposite stance. There's no reason to suppose that in an appropriate sense people don't leave their bodies. Conversations are interesting -- especially if they involve talking about you and the question of whether you have died. A card with some digits on it is not interesting. I haven't heard about people reading post-it notes during their NDE. Where did you get this from?

I do not regard it as remotely improbable that people are able to leave their bodies. It's only improbable if you assume that brains produce consciousness. But the notion that brains in an appropriate sense "filter" consciousness is more consonant with the evidence and rescues our intuitive conception of an unchanging substantial self. I explain this in an essay I wrote:

http://existenceandreality.blogspot.co.uk/
10:51 PM on 10/21/2012
That's interesting. I've noticed some dreams that I've had of a previous occurrence, and I was watching myself, rather than being active in what occurred. I'm sure there's an Psy 101 lesson that explains that "second party" experience.

The other question that I have is why we are evolving (homo sepien) and advancing in civilization, technology--why is our brains advancing (not counting politicos!) if our living isn't something of an importance?

Why didn't we stay one-cell, or 'cave' men/women?
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04:10 PM on 10/17/2012
Your argument supposes that a person experiencing a near death, out of body experience WANTS to participate in our physical games. This is the part of the equation that debunkers never allow for.
05:49 PM on 10/17/2012
It's definitely allowed. But what other options do we have to try to measure this scientifically?

In this case, maybe some patients would have altruistic motives given the enormous significance of both positive or negative results to this experiment.
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taoistpunk
because the monks wouldn't have me..
09:04 PM on 10/17/2012
sorry... your argument is that those people who make these claims, in some cases to anyone who will listen, and over and over to the point of making youtube videos about it, are really just not interested in making others believe them? so even though they did, for example, see the card at the top of the shelf, they're just not going to tell us about that part?
the post it note they supposedly couldn't see, the conversation they supposedly couldn't have heard, they want to convince us with that and can’t stop talking about it, but they just really don't want any scientists finding out that they saw the card on top of the shelf?
08:58 AM on 10/17/2012
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."
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07:16 PM on 10/16/2012
There's something else going on that people don't mention: It is assumed that the memory of an NDE is an accurate "recording" of an experience that occurred during the near-death event. This is not necessarily the case. The NDE memory may have precipitated after the fact, say, as the patient's consciousness was being reconstituted while coming out of a coma. The memory is effectively back-dated, like having a dream of swimming in the ocean as a child, even if you've never been to the ocean. So, I wonder why people always assume the memory directly reflects an earlier event that occurred during the time at which the memory happened to take place.