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The Different Roles of Science and Faith

Posted: 12/ 1/2011 1:00 pm

"A mystery is a problem that encroaches upon itself because the questioner becomes the object of the question. Getting to Mars is a problem. Falling in love is a mystery." --Gabriel Marcel

I love that quote. It reminds me that getting to Mars is a problem, a science and engineering problem. Mysteries, however, are different. Whether it's the science of spirituality, the afterlife and consciousness, or how man was birthed on this planet, science tries to solve mysteries, as well. Yet, mysteries may sometimes be more elusive. We don't really solve mysteries, we resolve them. Solutions of problems may require active work, whereas resolutions often warrant an explanation that dissipates the tension. One of the biggest mysteries today is a simple question: How did we get here?

Often, this question has been housed within a theo-scientific debate about evolution. The most recent micro-debate inside this dialogue is the question of Adam and Eve. Scientific evidence is pointing to confounding possibilities that challenge a literal understanding of Adam and Eve as recorded in the Torah (Old Testament).

What happens when you assume all living humans descended from only two progenitors? That couple could not have produced all contemporary human beings on their own. Scientists say that we should have less genetic diversity than we actually have, if we came from only two people. The genetic diversity today leads scientists to infer that all contemporary humans probably came from a small group of first humans (around 10,000) in order to display the genetic diversity that we do.

The June 2011 issue of Christianity Today contained an article, "The Search for the Historical Adam" about this controversy. NPR also wrote a story on this topic, seemingly presenting only two sides. Since then there have been many responses and blogs to these stories that highlight the preponderance of complex and nuanced views in between the extremes.

Some people, like Tim Keller, C. John Collins and an editorial writer in Christianity Today, believe that if there is no historical Adam, then the Gospel doesn't exist or make sense. Though David Lose disagrees, I love a diversity of views. What has bothered me more is the number of men, such as former and current seminary professors John Walton, Pete Enns, Bruce Waltke and Tremper Longman III, who all resigned or were fired because of their interpretation of the Bible and Genesis 1-3. Karl Giberson, a former physics professor at Eastern Nazarene College, experienced a similar situation for his views, and Calvin college professor John Schneider took early retirement due to controversy related to his views on the lack of a historical Adam or Eve.

Doubt has many roles. Even if a scientist, in one instance, uses doubt to cast a shadow on a particular theory or another person's conclusion, still, fundamental to science and the scientific method as it is practiced today is not to sit comfortably in doubt, but to seek answers to questions, to uncover answers to doubts, to discover answers to conundrums. Faith is different, of course. So the firings and retirements and calls of "heretic" scare me. We sometimes forget that God is mystery and a life of faith is one that is lived in the tension of never fully knowing. We often do a disservice in our faith communities when we use a scientific approach, regarding answers, in issues of faith.

I recently saw a Christian documentary called "Furious Love," which contained an interview of Dutch pastor/missionary Jan Sjoerd Pasterkamp, who quoted a Dutch church historian as saying, "We have dozens of Protestant denominations and Christian groups because, to the Dutch person, truth is more important than unity." By truth he meant dogmatic views and doctrine, or more importantly "my" interpretation of scriptures. And I admit it's hard; we're not just divided about doctrinal issues, but we're even divided about what is fundamental to being a Christian, Jew or Muslim. That's why people like Rob Bell can write a book like "Love Wins" and be labeled a non-Christian. Of course, this dividing truth is the factual, scientific kind of truth because the truth to which the Judeo-Christian tradition points is not factual, scientific truth but transformative truth. In that way the truth of faith is love. So you can be divided and confused about scientific knowledge and yet have unity based on a different kind of knowledge -- love.

I've experienced that science and faith have a commonality: What you believe is not as important as how you believe. There are climate scientists who do not believe global warming is caused by man. Though they are in the vast minority, they are scientists not because of what they believe, but rather because of how they believe or practice. They arrive at their conclusions based on the scientific method and their concluding judgment. Likewise, though in the minority, there are atheist scientists who do not support the theory of evolution. It's not their belief that makes them scientists. No, they are scientists because they use the scientific method and judgment in arriving at their belief.

Faith is similar. A life of faith is not so much a set of beliefs. Rather, faith is the transformative experience that opens you up to belief. Faith isn't really believing the right things, as it is more about an experience that allows you to breathe and believe in the right way -- a belief predicated on love. Faith is the love-forming experience that allows you to believe and doubt in the aftermath of that experience. In this way, Peter Rollins would say that orthodoxy is (mis)understood no longer as right (ortho) belief (doxy), but, read from right to left, now as "believing in the right way."

Though scientists may accuse another scientist of being a pseudo-scientist, in my small experience, such accusations tend to happen less in science than in faith. As long as you can defend your view, you're still a scientist; you simply disagree, even if it is within a heated debate. What I long for is more of the same in faith circles. If faith is predicated on love, and unity is one aspect of love, we are failing in the love department. In my faith communities, I've seen growing unity across linguistic, national and sociocultural differences, but where is the unity across theological differences? Are we not called to that, in love? Or in faith, is what you believe more important than how you believe?

Science seeks understanding. However, faith seeks "wonderstanding." I long for the days when people of faith linger in mysteries finding satisfaction not in understanding, but in the unification of "wonderstanding."

"Wonderstanding" is a term coined by Brian McLaren.

 
"A mystery is a problem that encroaches upon itself because the questioner becomes the object of the question. Getting to Mars is a problem. Falling in love is a mystery." --Gabriel Marcel I love tha...
"A mystery is a problem that encroaches upon itself because the questioner becomes the object of the question. Getting to Mars is a problem. Falling in love is a mystery." --Gabriel Marcel I love tha...
 
 
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07:21 AM on 12/29/2011
Wonderful post. I find it interesting that Scientists debate a conclusion based on gathered facts by developing more facts to add to the equation.These additional "facts" may change the original conclusion and lead to a consensus of opinion. In Religious debates or discussions no new facts can be added to the discussion. Consequently, an individual's conclusion is based on his interpretation of the existing "facts" as written by others. No "new facts" can be added to the discussion and what a "religious" person is really doing is debating the various interpretations of the existing facts by different "religious leaders". Therefore, we have Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Muslims, Jews, etc. who all use the same facts to reach different conclusions. As a simple example, all Religions have their own view on "how should a woman be treated" and this view has changed over time within each group. However the facts have never changed. What has changed is whose interpretation I choose to believe. Thus, I become a follower of that individual and not necesssarily a follower of God or Jesus. We need to choose carefully who we are following in our interpretation of the "facts".
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08:51 AM on 12/20/2011
With me it's not an "either", "or" prospect. I have a sound respect for both science and my faith and both work perfectly together.
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FreedToChoose
...excepting when I'm not.
06:24 PM on 12/18/2011
With regard to religion, be it theistic or not, Joseph Campbell liked to say, "Is it doing you any good? If it is, stay with it. If it's not, leave it." I notice here, and elsewhere, a significant number of posts from people telling others what is, or is not, good for them, when each of us must ask and answer the question. Science is about the known and the mystery beyond; e.g., What is the Higgs bosson? It's still a mystery, but we're getting to know more about it. What is dark matter? What else?. Religion is about the mystery beyond the known. As the known changes, so must religion or it becomes a lie.
01:53 PM on 12/14/2011
Why does faith have to be backed up by science to be credible? Faith is believing in something you cannot see; that does not mean it is not real. I don't see the air that I breath, but I know that it is there. Faith is a personal decision decided by each human being. Science is believing in something that you can prove or explain. Science will never be able to prove that God exists or that He doesn't. Science can only prove or explain the material world, never the spiritual. And who says that they have to agree?
10:00 PM on 12/06/2011
Like dogs chasing their tails.
11:48 PM on 12/04/2011
"The biggest mystery that we have today,is HOW DID WE GET HERE?.This question has been asked over and over again for the last 2 thousand years at least!.It would seem to me that perhaps we are looking in the wrong place for the answer. As creationist and evolutionist have been unable to provide an answer as both rely on faith to support their arguments!
JESUS THE LAST NEPHILIM ISBN:797-1-84748-797-1.'This story has been written to bring attention to evidence that has been suppressed for over 80 years of the first and greatest civilization in Sumer. Check the Epic of Gilgamesh!!
01:26 PM on 12/05/2011
The biggest mystery today is...trying to figure out what you are trying to say.
09:55 PM on 12/06/2011
:)
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08:49 AM on 12/20/2011
Touche!!!
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Tanya OaksBrooks
Sarcastic, left-wing, science-loving rocker chick
09:30 PM on 12/12/2011
This is nothing but SPAM, trying to sell a book.
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11:29 PM on 12/04/2011
It is a great thing that science can allow religion to make its claims without subjecting those which by their nature are ubtestable to science's rigors. I don't expect that to last much longer.

As long as relgion makes scietific claims (humans have died and have had their flesh reaminated days later, water being transformed into wine, human/ spirit conception, etc) science has a duty to suss this stuff out. Either Mary was delivered 23 chromasomes in order that her egg be fertilized with spritual god goo, or ther is a simpler explanation. Either jesus was dead and subsequetly was reanimated, or he wasn't. These aren't untestable myteries. They are claims of the natural order being suspended. That is a big deal. Religion ought to be able to deal with non-scientists on big questions like whether Bacon is a sinful food. But the scientists have an obligation to call out the bizarre claims that make demands on physical laws. Either prayes for sick people work, or they're geard toward those people who like talking to themselves. Either we are moral to confir equal rights to a a 3 day old embryo that we do for a living person, or we are immoral for choosing that route. What's the science behind determining personhood? Religions do not play coy. They know what their agendas are. By its nature, scienc is obligated to peer review these religio/ scientific claims for veracity. I want to see the results.
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11:55 AM on 12/06/2011
While I agree with you in principle, science as an institution is not really going to investigate religious claims as a matter of course because such questions are not scientific questions.
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11:15 PM on 12/04/2011
Role of science: the attempt to understand what little we can know through repeated observation

Role of religion: the attempt to explain everything that has ever happened as the will of one omnipotent being for which no evidence exists
07:55 PM on 12/07/2011
You think all religions have "one omnipotent being"? You should really do yourself a favor and open up a history of religions textbook.
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12:36 AM on 12/08/2011
Pleeeeze. One omnipotent being. Multiple supernatural beings. So freaking what. Your point is what, exactly?
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02:08 PM on 12/09/2011
You might want to check out a reference in one of your religion books to this thing called "monotheism." There are, and have been, a few billion adherents to this strain of supernaturalism. Of course, not ALL religions are monotheistic. But the biggest ones in the world are – and account for more than half the world's population. You make a very minor, irrelevant point that misses the bigger point of a comedic comment. Can't you share a more interesting thought than this?
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mathislaw1
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so"-Twain
08:25 PM on 12/04/2011
Typical of the religious...I don't understand something therefore there must be a God,
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Tanya OaksBrooks
Sarcastic, left-wing, science-loving rocker chick
09:35 PM on 12/12/2011
LOL I just used that Mark Twain quote in a post and there it is in your bio! I must fan you now. :)
05:34 PM on 12/04/2011
Science just proves God is correct.
-Thank you.
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mathislaw1
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so"-Twain
08:20 PM on 12/04/2011
Do what?
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Djay0252
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05:29 PM on 12/04/2011
Science and faith compliment each other. If were not for faith; there would be no science.
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mathislaw1
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so"-Twain
08:21 PM on 12/04/2011
Wrong......Science continues to erode faith...which is a good thing!
09:42 PM on 12/04/2011
Wrong again ... science couldn't erode faith even if it wanted to. They don't even address the same questions.
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Djay0252
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09:57 AM on 12/05/2011
Wrong.....People continue to erode faith...which is a bad thing!
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Franklin1776
Micro-bio rocks! So does Cell-bio!
09:10 AM on 12/07/2011
It depends on what faith you are talking about.  Scientists have faith in all sorts of things but with regard to science we have faith in our ideas but need data to prove our ideas.  In religion, there is simply faith without proof.  Even if you completely disagree with the theory of evolution for which there is so much data that scientists actually agree on the theory (which is rare in this business), that's a different kind of "faith" then having faith that your savior rose from the dead and walked on water (for which there is not one shred of data supporting those claims).
11:33 PM on 12/03/2011
i feel sorry for everyone, atheists and believers/creationists alike, who buy into this false debate between evolution versus creation. the reason is because the debate is not technically between believers and non believers, faith or empirical evidence. nope, while you may consider both empirical evidence and/or scripture, the real debate is for the philosophers. determining the origin of man boils down to principles of reason that can be either supported or influenced by empirical evidence and/or faith. creatio ex nihilo is an article of faith, but the reasoning leading up to it is utterly philosophical. at the same time, if one admits only empirical evidence (without applying principles of reason) then that same empirical evidence does not necessarily identify a(n) efficient cause.

certain philosophies acknowledge the intellect & freewill as immaterially comprising the form of human nature. because of this alone, and according to their philosophy, one must arrive at creatio ex nihilo, an article of faith. other philosophers, mainly materialists, identify the material and agent cause of human beings as one and the same, a past species. but then the question remains for them, how does the lesser (species) produce the greater (species)? evolution, in that sense, is more than mere change or adaptation within a given nature or species.

too bad philosophy is dismissed today, because it truly underlies many, if not all, facets of life.
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crydespite
oh go on then
06:35 PM on 12/03/2011
Say that the DNA evidence had pointed to a bottleneck in which just one breeding pair of humans gave rise to the rest of us. It would mean nothing. It would certainly not mean that the breeding pair weren't preceded by a whole lot of others who didn't survive, it certainly wouldn't mean that the female was made from the rib of the male, and there would be a problem (of the order of a factor of a few hundred) in the timescale.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
12:33 PM on 12/03/2011
Apples and Oranges...science deals in facts...faith deals in myth and superstition. Can't get much more apart than that...(sigh)
12:39 PM on 12/04/2011
Thank you Bob, you hit the nail right on the head.
09:45 PM on 12/04/2011
Science deals in facts? Like the once well-established scientific facts that the Earth is flat, and that it rests at the center of the universe? I wonder what it's like to live in a black-and-white universe where all the answers are so neatly handed to you.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
10:40 AM on 12/05/2011
saj485...I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt...and accept that you're not really that dumb. Science deals in facts...and unlike faith, when it's discovered that the facts are wrong...science updates the facts. Faith deals in myth and superstition...and when shown that it's wrong...just has faith anyway. I know of no one here who suggests we live in a black and white universe. I think that's your invention...(sigh)
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11:44 AM on 12/03/2011
This article is riddled and rife with logical fallacies from beginning to end, it's almost embarrassing. The author's interpretation of the concept of science is laughable but not uncommon. One clear example of this when he states:

"Likewise, though in the minority, there are atheist scientists who do not support the theory of evolution. It's not their belief that makes them scientists. No, they are scientists because they use the scientific method and judgment in arriving at their belief."

First, there are no scientists who've studied evolution that reject it - none. There may be a few who dispute certain specific interpretations and conclusions within evolution, but not the overall theory. More importantly, science is not a belief and it's most certainly not equivalent on any level to the evidence-free, belief religion requires.
08:35 PM on 12/03/2011
No scientists? Not one? Not a single scientist trained in modern methods of research and scientific method honestly and truly could possibly reject even the most general evolutionary concepts?

Not. One. Clearly, if I were to identify one, or three, or 300, or 3000 they'd not be 'scientists' in your mind because their conclusions are inconsistent with current mainstream scientific thought, so judged by their conclusions alone they cannot be called 'scientists'.

Just as the dogmatic Catholic Church declared Galileo a heretic for suggesting the earth revolved around the sun.

But of course, your view of what makes a scientist is not so dogmatic as to be similar to that of the Catholic Church. Of course not.

Not one, indeed.
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
04:16 PM on 12/04/2011
If a scientists says that life was created individually as opposed to evolving, then that scientist is turning a blnid eye to thousands of studies, reports, and findings. Which in turn deems them not scientific, because they are not taking into account all of the information. They are choosing which information to go on.
06:10 PM on 12/05/2011
There are indeed some scientists whe reject evolution, but there are no Human Biology Scientists who reject evolution. Biological Science is the area of science in which evolution is studied. If a Human Biology scientists rejected evolution (meaning he/she didn't think it happened and won't give it merit), then he/she would be disregarded as a Human Biology scientists. Yes, scientists can deny evolution, but Human Biology scientists can't. If they did, their jobs would be useless. So you can't clump scientists who don't even study evolution into that equation.