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Vivien Lesnik Weisman

Vivien Lesnik Weisman

Posted: November 30, 2009 04:10 PM

Opportunity For New Beginning In US/Latin American Relations Squandered

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Oops, we did it again. The opportunity presented to hit the reboot button on friendship with Latin America by the Honduran coup which ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya was a gift to our newly elected President. If he had made all the right moves, he would have created a blue print for a new relationship with Latin America and thus furthering our national interest in the region.

To state the obvious,when playing the game of international politics you need to know where you want to end up and then create the road map to getting there. The US needed to end up looking like it would oppose military coups against democratically elected leaders and thus fostering a new more benevolent image. We needed to clean up the mess we have created in US/Latin America relations by backing right wing death squads, overthrowing democratic governments and general meddling in their affairs with impunity. Let's not forget President Bush's hostile reception in Argentina.

Still, it is not easy being a likable empire; only FDR was able to pull that off. President Obama with his skin color and international pedigree was given a golden opportunity to do the same. Not only was he given the benefit of the doubt by once hostile leaders Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro and Evo Morales, he was given an opportunity to make Brazilian President Lula da Silva the go to man in the region.

President Lula da Silva offered time and time again his guidance and insight into the Honduran crisis and the region. Instead of listening to President Lula da Silva, Obama chose the counsel of Secretary of State Hilary Clinton.

Perhaps the missed opportunity in Latin America can be traced back to Obama's misunderstanding of a basic tenet of politics in the Big League. In politics, there are winners and losers. Almost winning counts for nothing. Clinton lost and she has no business in Obama's White House. It is she who has the business-as-usual worldview of Latin America. Rather than following the recommendations of the Organization of American States, she muddled things with her unofficial ragtag team of advisors and opportunists like Lanny Davis. Moreover, she misperceives US interests as premised on undermining the clout of leftist leaders such as Chavez whom Zelaya had declared a friend, missing the point that the Honduran move has played directly into the hands of Chavez. Denouncing the elections without a previous reinstatement of Zelaya would have undercut Chavez talking points against the US. Obama has with his handling of the Honduras coup inadvertently handed Chavez the gift that will keep on giving and thus squandered the promise of a new relationship with Latin America, one where Lula da Silva in friendship with the US, and not Chavez, sets the agenda for Latin America in the years to come.

 
 
 
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03:00 AM on 12/10/2009
Ms. Weisman understand the big picture. I couldn't have stated it more clearly!

Thanks
12:56 PM on 12/02/2009
Obviously Ms. Weisman does not know the whole story. President Zelaya was indeed a democratically elected president but he was trying to amend the Honduran Constitution the same way Hugo Chavez did in Venezuela in order to stay in power, which amounted to treason. The elections that were held in which Pepe Lobos won were scheduled before the so called coup. Lobos was also democratically elected. Obama is right in supporting this election because he is in turn supporting democracy in Honduras.
08:58 PM on 12/01/2009
The analysis unfortunately is dead on, The message that is being transmitted when it comes to Latin America, We will support Coup d'état of a democratically elected government if it's in our national interest, and protest them when they do not!

Democracy and liberty is subjective!!

That popular phrase that's being thrown around at the moment, this a teachable moment!
10:51 AM on 12/01/2009
It is hard to fathom how we could have gotten this situation so wrong. There were / are no larger national security implications, no maneuvering needed to fend off a Soviet Union, Cuba etc. We had a clear cut case of a blatant military coup designed only stifle Democracy and we just sat there, dumbfounded and unable to take even the most basic steps to stand up for those principles we say we believe in.

The implications of this are a further eroding of national credibility and another political destabilization in region which has already suffered under corrupt governments for centuries.
04:41 AM on 12/02/2009
Stifle democracy? Honduras just went through with the election that was scheduled well before the ouster of Zelaya. The candidates had been chosen while Zelaya was president. Had Zelaya not been removed he would today be heading a "constituent assembly" that would write whatever law he saw fit to allow whatever arbitrary action he chose.
10:49 AM on 12/02/2009
The only serious opposition candidate pulled out of the race in protest. Actual protesting and political activism have been banned. The Military is running the country and arresting folks left & right. Hitler used his brown shirts to bully their way through multiple elections - the presence of sham elections does not a Democracy make...
08:42 AM on 12/01/2009
Obama's re-election speech, 2012:
"We can do the same-old same-old, yes we can! We can believe that change we can't, yes we can! My second term is the one I was waiting for, pursuing the same old failed policies of my predecessor - now isn't that 'reaching across the aisle'? We are not the red states or the blue states, we are just the same old global bullies we've always been! Wall St. is MY Main St., yes it is!"
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04:48 PM on 12/01/2009
very funny but unfortunately it's not is it.......We need a leader to galvanize the grassroots malaise > yes that was Obama but he is prez now and clearly presidents even those with mandates for change and both houses of congress are coopted into bussiness as usual once elected. we need a martin luther king, a gandhi . gandhi never ran for senate and martin luther king never ran for governor or city council of selma alabama. we need a leader to work out side of the system beholden to no one but his consceinceto take us to the brink the way the civil rights leaders and the chicago seven did and then and only then can the politicians step legisllate.
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10:40 PM on 11/30/2009
Wow, so how many different ways can someone be wrong? Let me take your basic premise and push it forward. You believe we want an new relationship with Latin America, that the old one doesn't work for us... based on what? You think we don't believe in military take overs of democratically elected governments... since when did the US sign on for that policy? You are guilty of the hubris of rightness. You think that the right thing to do is the best foreign policy and again I'll ask you, since when is that true? You think we should have sent troops into Honduras to restore a guy we didn't like in the first place, a guy we believe was elected through fraud... you think we should be trying to curry favor with Chavez... you have got to be kidding. Let me explain the road map to our FP goals in South and Central America. Don't mess with us. We are dealing with a tons of stuff over seas. We're going to open our boarders a little bit and fix some of this crazy immigration nonsense, we're going to be economic partners, and we're going to try and keep China out of our region, other than that... don't wake us up. Right now we don't really care what is going on south of the boarder. If you want us to care you have no understanding of the madness our nation will probably unleash in the rush to "help" you.
11:33 PM on 11/30/2009
The reason Hugo Chavez is around today is because the US went against the OAS and orchestrated a coup against him when Bush first got in. We lost all democratic and rule of law credentials.

The point of the article is right on. The moment has been squandered. The hearts and minds of millions of latin Americans who read the news have been set in stone and reconfirmed. They know what we are.

This is what happens when you have a sellout as Secretary of State.
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11:34 PM on 11/30/2009
never would i ask the us to send troops to honduras.other than that ur theory is certainly the way things have panned out is it not.
09:53 AM on 12/01/2009
The troops are already there on a military base. A little economic arm twisting would have reinstated Zelaya immediately.

This government is pro coup in violation of the OAS Charter.
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09:36 PM on 11/30/2009
It all started because the Executive branch of the Honduras government wanted to find out if the voters agreed to change the Constitution and the Legislative and Judicial branches did not agree. The Constitution of 1982, gave strong powers to the Non executive branches in order to avoid strong-man governments that had been the habit in years' past.

The US did the right thing when the military kicked Zelaya out. There was a strong US reaction against this act. This was different behavior from the past. (Zelaya had not been very friendly to the US--so the knee-jerk reaction would have been to get rid of him).

Then when both Honduran sides made mistakes, constiutionally and otherwise, the US supporting the elections as constiutionally mandated was the right thing to do.

The folks running these action steps have been doing it for a long time--Shannon, Llorens, Valenzuela, Kelly and they know the area intimately. The Obama administration, and especially Sec. Clinton supported the folks who were close to the situation. If anything, the US response has been very respectful of the multinational organizations also involved--OAS, UNASUR, and even, for a while, the ALBA.

This is a new way to get things done in Latin America--All countries are now part of the community. The Dep't of State has acted in a superior manner.
10:17 PM on 11/30/2009
He was kicked out in his pijamas at the point of a gun.
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11:24 PM on 11/30/2009
hmmmm....you say the US did the right thing when the military kicked zelaya out by supporting their actions. how would you feel if ur military deposed President Obama.? would u think that was ok, or do u only think it's ok for Latin America?Yep, llorens shannon et al have been around the block and they were definitley bush peeps. this is exactly the problem. also,ur clearly not aware that the organizations u mention were strong proponents of reinstaing Zelaya before an election be held. and lastly sir, the constitution of 1984 was promulagted by a right wing military dictatorship.
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01:59 PM on 12/01/2009
Sorry, I wrote the sentence badly. it should have said, once the military kicked Zelaya out, the US reacted in the right way by rejecting this move as unconstitutional. I beg your pardon.

You cut too broad a swathe by saying that "Bush Peeps," especially the ones mentioned--Llorens, Shannon, Valenzuela and Kelly are all, by definition, incompetent and ideologically oriented. Shannon, Valenzuela and Kelly have been recently promoted by the Obama administration. At what point do they become Obama peeps?

I am aware that the int'l organizations mentioned (though Brazil, from UNASUR and the OAS, is now beginning to waver, a bit), believe the elections to have been unconstitutional.

Lastly, there have been 16 constitutions in Honduras. The 1982 (not 1984 as you state) had many of the features of the 1957, and 1965 constitution, some new ones, including t strengthening of the legislative branch and judicial branch to become coequal with the executive branch ( this last one, traditionally, had been dominant). Getting used to this is what got Zelaya into trouble. This constitution, as the one in 1965, was promulgated during a military dictatorship.

Again, sorry for confusing you.

My only point was that the Dep't of State acted well in this situation. It respected the constitution, tattered as it is by the actions of both Zelaya and the opposition; it supported the elections which had been constitutionally mandated; and the decisions were made by the Hondurans. It still made its point of view clearly known, though.
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08:30 PM on 11/30/2009
So he didn't interfere in another country's political affairs, in a region where we have done far too much meddling.
Has he spoken out about the ban on minarets in Switzerland, because god forbid we should blow a chance to meddle in a democratic European country too.
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11:48 PM on 11/30/2009
ofcourse not. our president had to side with the OAS.
06:14 PM on 11/30/2009
Perhaps we are just fine with our current relationship with Latin America. Perhaps Hillary is right..
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10:41 PM on 11/30/2009
She is. What I find funny is that you just synthesized her entire argument into a two sentence reply. Excellent work.

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11:27 PM on 11/30/2009
that is scary.