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Chick-fil-A CEO Makes No Bones About 'Biblical Marriage'

Posted: 08/01/2012 1:28 pm

Questioned about the opposition his company, Chick-fil-A, has received on its position supporting the so-called "traditional family," CEO Dan Cathy quipped, "Well, guilty as charged." In a recent article appearing in the Baptist Press (July 22), he continued that "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

Chick-fil-A's charitable division, WinShape Foundation, works with and supports such groups as the National Organization for Marriage, the Ruth Institute, the Pennsylvania Family Institute, Focus on the Family and Exodus International, among others, all fighting to ban marriage for same-sex couples and some advocating to "cure" homosexuality.

Cathy, who rules over a dominion of more than 1,600 Chick-fil-A restaurants nationwide, argued that "We intend to stay the course. We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."

Well, Mr. Cathy, one does not have to be a biblical scholar to know our society does not and has not followed many of the principles the Bible dictates on issues of marriage. Let's look at some of the religious teachings, many pointing out that the institution of marriage was constructed very differently from what some today consider as "traditional."

Approximately 4,000 years ago, Abraham (commonly referred to as "the father of the Jewish and Arab people" and patriarch of Jews, Christians and Muslims) was a distant ancestor of Shem, son of Noah. When his wife Sarah (who in fact was his half-sister having a common father) was unable to conceive, as it is written, Sarah told Abraham to conceive a child with her Egyptian maidservant Hagar, who birthed a son, Ishmael. Soon afterward, Sarah also conceived a son, whom she and Abraham named Isaac. After Isaac's birth, Abraham banished Hagar and Ishmael into the desert.

In Deuteronomy 25:5: "When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband's brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her." And in Deuteronomy 25:6: "And it shall be that the first-born whom she bears shall assume the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out from Israel."

And what about biblical injunctions on husbands and wives engaging in sexual intercourse during a woman's period? Leviticus 20:18: "If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people."

Furthermore, I would think that many women today, of all sexual and gender identities and religious backgrounds, may find difficulty in Ephesians 5:22: "Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body and is himself its Savior."

And, Mr. Cathy, do you really promote the commandment to women in 1 Corinthians 14:33-35: "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."

I wonder how many parents actually subscribe to Exodus 21:15 and 17, which dictates: "And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."

Actually, some biblical scholars interpret the relationships between David and Jonathan and Naomi and Ruth as romantic love. In1 Samuel 20:16-17: "So Jonathan made a covenant with the house of David, saying, 'May the Lord require it at the hands of David's enemies.' And Jonathan made David vow again because of his love for him, because he loved him as he loved his own life." Jonathan also made a covenant with David. When Jonathan was later killed, David bemoans his death with these words in 2 Samuel 1:25-26: "How have the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! Jonathan is slain on your high places. I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant to me. Your love to me was more wonderful than the love of women."

Naomi and Ruth likewise loved one another romantically. In Ruth 1:14: "And they lift up their voice, and wept again: and Orpah kissed her mother in law, but Ruth clung unto [Naomi]." The word for "clung" in Hebrew is "dabaq," the very same word in Genesis 2:24 to illustrate Adam's feelings toward Eve. Interestingly, the vow Ruth made to Naomi is the vow exchanged in many marriage ceremonies for different-sex couples: Ruth 1:16-17: "Do not press me to leave you or to turn back from following you! Where you go, I will go; where you lodge I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God. Where you die, I will die -- there will I be buried. May the Lord do thus and so to me, and more as well, if even death parts me from you!"

In light of Chick-fil-A's statements and connections to organizations opposing the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people, college and university students throughout the country have organized boycotts and petition drives to terminate their schools' relationship with Chick-fil-A. In addition, mayors in a number of cities, including Boston's Thomas M. Menino, Chicago's Rahm Emanuel and San Francisco's Ed Lee, are discouraging Chick-fil-A from opening new branches in their cities, at least until they pledge to sign non-discrimination statements in the areas of hiring and public accommodations in keeping with their cities' policies.

On the other side, evangelical leader Rev. Billy Graham issued a statement praising Chick-fil-A and Dan Cathy for taking a "bold stand for the biblical definition of marriage between a man and woman in a culture that has grown openly hostile to the Christian faith and its followers." Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum (both past presidential candidates) are calling for a "National Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" on Aug. 1, and Bishop E. W. Jackson Sr., Founder and President of STAND (Staying True to America's National Destiny) has appealed for a "Buycott" of Chick-fil-A, in support of the company's defense of marriage, and protection of family and Christian values.

I would ask Mr. Cathy and his supporters, to which biblical marriage values and principles are you referring? Do you prefer that men engage in polygamous relationships like Abraham? What about marrying your half-sister? I'm not hearing any so-called "Judeo-Christian" leaders calling on men in childless marriages to take on mistresses, and once they conceive, to exile them and their children from their towns, or for men to marry the widows of their deceased brothers, even when the men themselves are already married. When was the last time we banished a married couple from our communities for having sexual relations during the woman's period? Should we really kill recalcitrant young people? Was this how we do and should define "traditional marriage" and "traditional families" today? And should we simply block out the verses recounted about David and Jonathan, and Naomi and Ruth?

With the recent actions taken by Chick-fil-A, a critical question must be addressed. While the executives of private companies like Chick-fil-A most certainly and clearly have the right to say what they wish and support organizations and causes of their choice, should municipalities and public tax supported institutions such as universities maintain connections with those companies that expressly violate non-discrimination policies, many which now include sexual identity and gender identity and expression as enumerated categories? By opposing the basic civil rights of LGBT people, Chick-fil-A and its allied organizations clearly fall under the definition of discrimination according to these policies.

 
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10:40 PM on 08/05/2012
Looks like Warren copy and pasted something he read elsewhere. Many who do not know the bible can easily be deceived at what he wrote.

Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
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Catherine in Tulsa
Not mother?
10:34 AM on 08/05/2012
Excellent, excellent editorial!! Thank you!
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Joe Downey
12:47 PM on 08/03/2012
Dan read 2Samuel 5:13 1Kings 1:13 2 Chronicles 11:21 all support ploygamy and the view of One man One Woman until 1563 at the Council of Trent the practice of Concubinage was allowed adn common in Europe SO how man y wives do you have DAN
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lentz464
02:39 AM on 08/03/2012
When you understand the Old Covenant & the New Covenant.. the whole article becomes null & void !!.. God forgive me.. but I literally laughed out loud at some of the comments.. After studying the Bible & attending a Bible Based Non-Denominational Church for many years.. I'm just blown away at the craziness I read in some of these Comments.. If there is one thing I'm 1000% sure of.. is... there will be no homosexuals in Heaven !!!.. I promise you that !!!.. So, if you want to continue to support homosexuals or be a homosexual or whatever the latest name they're called these days.. go right ahead.. you've been warned & warned again to turn from your wicked ways.. but Heaven is not your destination !!.& that's the one thing I am sure of !!!!
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Joe Downey
12:50 PM on 08/03/2012
Honestky do you really think there is a HEAVEN If yes I have a Bridge for sale in NYC Even if there is a Heaven do you really think Homosexuals want to be around Wal Mart Shoppers for eternity
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lentz464
07:07 PM on 08/03/2012
Yes I KNOW there is a Heaven !!.. & yes I look forward to going there !!.. You can make fun of the Bible if you like.. but I believe every word of it !! as for the bridge you have for sale.. I don't think I'd be interested.. but if you'll disassemble it.. & deliver it to my house.. then I think we can do business !!.. as for the walmart shoppers.. Let me explain it this way.. Go look in the mirror.. the body you see is not the one that will be in Heaven if you make it.. the Bible says that those that are saved will have Glorified Bodies !!.. & also the Bible says that we will be "All Knowing".. in other words, we won't have any questions.. they will have been answered before we ask !! Again.. I'm not here to go along & get along with this world.. The Bible says as Christians, we are just passing through.. So if this world & what it has to offer is your goal.. then by all means have at it.. but I've done what is expected of me.. & that's to warn you that if you die lost.. you will not go to Heaven.. & homosexuals my friend are lost !!!
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
02:20 PM on 08/03/2012
All Christians are sinners, all people are sinners. So no wonder homosexual Christians are sinners too. So if there will be no homosexuals in heaven, then no Christians in heaven.
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02:24 AM on 08/03/2012
The writer shows his Biblical ignorance over & over again !!!.. The Old Testament was the old covenant.. but when Jesus came & died in our place we're no longer under the old covenant.. today we are under the New Covenant.. Many things in the Old Testament, Jesus told us were of the old ways & he then gave us the new ways !!.. for example.. A man is to have but one wife.. & yes he is the head of the woman as God is the head of the Church.. but he was also talking about Godly Men.. not lost & Biblicly ignorant like the writer of this article... Homosexuals can march in the streets & rally all the worldly people they can muster to defend their agenda.. but the day is coming.. & coming soon.. when they will stand before the Judgement seat of Christ & give an accounting of their lives & cry out for mercy because of their homosexual ways.. The Lake of Fire is their destination.. if they don't repent & turn from their wicked ways !!!.. Why is it so hard to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.. when all he wants to do is bless you ???
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
02:27 PM on 08/03/2012
It is hard to accept Jesus as the savior, because we don't have any scriptures describing Jesus as the perfect Christ. I know the New Testament tries to claim this, but then portrays Jesus as calling the Pharisees names like vipers, causing somebody's property, swine, to fall into the sea, then stealing a donkey or two, wavering on pacifism and forgiveness, expressing prejudice against gentiles, choosing only male apostles. Maybe Jesus was really much better than this, but we don't have scriptures proving it.
01:09 PM on 08/04/2012
Wrong. Jesus says in the gospel of Mark -"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

Hilarious how bible thumpers don't even read their own holy books.
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lentz464
05:54 PM on 08/04/2012
God help us !!!.. Again, another typer doing some typing !!!... NEWS FLASH !!!... Jesus last words on the cross was "IT IS FINISHED" !!!.. That my friend is your proof that everything was accomplished !!!.. & all you have to do.. IS BELIEVE !!.. Nothing else has to be done !!.. What Jesus did at the cross completely satisfied the sin debt !! Jesus took our place on the cross to satisfy the sin debt because the blood of bulls & goats could not !!!.. When Adam fell.. everyone ever born after him was doomed to hell because of sin.. Jesus paid that debt for us.. now you & I can go to heaven if we repent & accept him as our savior !!..The Law has been fulfilled & everything was accomplished when Jesus died on the cross for you & me !!.." It Is Finished" !!!
11:08 PM on 08/13/2012
I read it, but I don't thump Bibles...not really any productivity in it. Lol. I have studied the Bible for decades and even have corrected pastors that were in error. Minor things, but I know it and it is and always has been the most influential book for knowledge, correction, reproof, rebuke, and wisdom that the world has ever known.
06:52 PM on 08/02/2012
The author's question- "should municipalities and public tax supported institutions such as universities maintain connections with those companies that expressly violate non-discrimination policies"

Are these municipalities and tax supported organizations going to refuse the sales , property and income taxes of Chick-fil- a and their employees? I doubt it.

That would be a true severing of ties and strong testament to what they so vehemently appear to be disturbed by. Better yet, does chick fil a get to decide which public institutions their tax dollars support?

Chick-fil-a did not discriminate in its hiring practices. For a company CEO to state his beliefs is his choice, no different than the LGBT folks whom extol their beliefs in public and private forums. What idiot people say, is what idiot people say. Some people dont like homosexuals. Some dont like musicians, some dont like soccer players. Some people dont even like themselves. Everyone has a right to their own feelings, opinions and beliefs, whether agreed to by the majority or not.

PS..great publicity stunt by the CEO. He read the pulse of the nation and made a statement that he knew the media would run with, along with every left-leaning politico that wants press time. Smart guy that has put his company in the limelight for free.
05:41 PM on 08/02/2012
There is nothing in the new testament about homosexuality. Jesus could have bee gay for all we know. A man in his 30s and no wife was very unusual for that time. He would have been considered an oddity
10:02 PM on 08/03/2012
If those opposed to homosexuality and homosexual 'marriage' can't claim Sacred Scripture, then those arguing it is a matter of civil rights can't argue from the Constitution: neither homosexuality nor marriage are mentioned there. Who says marriage is a civil right? Who says, specifically, homosexual 'marriage' is a civil right? Even if one were to argue that marriage is a civil right, homosexuals have the SAME civil right, only they feel compelled not to take advantage of it. I know it is cliche, but homosexuals want DIFFERENT, not EQUAL rights. They want to redefine what marriage is, and their purported arguments from Scripture, read with a jaundiced eye, do not change that fact.
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04:50 PM on 08/02/2012
Fanned, Mr. Blumenfeld. I agree with nearly all the excellent points you make. I am ambivalent about the relationship between Naomi and Ruth, but I do not think that David and Jonathan had a sexual relationship. It has been discussed for ages, but they seemed more like especially close brothers, not lovers.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
02:30 PM on 08/03/2012
He loved Jonathan more than any of his wives.
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Ron Hovey
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03:23 PM on 08/02/2012
The problem with this whole debate is that it misses the relevant points: (1) the LGBT community in the United States would like equal treatment under the law as the Constitution affords. Specifically, they would like access to and governmental recognition of civil marriage, equal to that afforded straight citizens; (2) there is a group of people actively working to prevent (1) above from coming to pass.

The LGBT community wants the same access to the protections of the Full Faith and Credit clause and the 1st, 5th, and 14th Amendments to the Constitution. Arguing with people about religious beliefs is like wrestling with a pig, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.
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05:05 PM on 08/02/2012
Sorry, gotta remove the fav.........
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Ron Hovey
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11:02 AM on 08/03/2012
Why, All I am saying is that the arguments about gay marriage that are based in religion are not relevant as the LGBT community is striving for equal access to civil marriage and that is something that is resticted to only a portion of the population.  That is a problem under the constitution.  Arguing about religion over a civil matter makes no sense - and it needlessly gets people agruning about religion which is never going to work out.
DanBest
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03:04 PM on 08/02/2012
Hey, Christians. Is it okay for a gay or lesbian to have a license to open a bar? How about a license to cut hair? Drive a car? Hunt? Fish? So what argument do you make to exclude gays from a license issued, not from your churches, but from counties which are there to serve ALL Americans? Don't quote scripture. In America we put our hand on the bible and swear to uphold the constitution, not the opposite.
10:20 PM on 08/03/2012
Granting any of those licenses indiscriminately to individuals does not fundamentally change the nature of those occupations and/or pasttimes. Granting licenses to two people of the same sex does. Again, WHO SAYS the Constitution protects these things? WHO SAYS the government, any government, has the right to redefine something which preexists it? WHO SAYS homosexual 'marriage' is a civil right?
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Joe Downey
11:12 PM on 08/03/2012
Ok why should the state be involved in any manner let brother and sister marry Marry your Mom Marriage was a ritual in the Jungles of the Amazon pre "discovery" by Europeans so really not "GOD BASED"
10:39 AM on 08/04/2012
All religion aside to redefine marriage is not a constitutional issue, if we change the definition to extend to same sex then somewhere along the line bisexuals can say well I love her and him so I should be able to marry both of them at the same time. Marriage is between two people ( and only my opinion a man and woman) not three.
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02:03 PM on 08/02/2012
Christians are supposed to be ambassadors of a Kingdom not of this world, but they have chosen a stance of trying to take control of this world, which the Bible clearly defines as the property of "prince of this world." Unlike Jesus, when the prince of this world offers them the kingdoms of this world if they will bow down to him, they are saying yes to the offer. According to the Bible, there is already a provision made for everyone according to their choices--why is there need for Christians to do anything other than what is already written. Do the Christians not believe this? The handbook of the KKK says they will persecute certain minorities until Jesus comes to do it for them. How are Christians any different? I do believe that your forsaking what the Bible commanded to preach for chasing after your own misguided "causes" has lead Christianity astray. Christians are only causing more people to turn away from Christianity, and they will be held accountable by the Law of Sowing and Reaping.
07:39 PM on 08/12/2012
Actually, By Christians taking a stand against sexual immorality and impurity (aka homosexuality) Christians are be Christ-like. This is not a civil rights issue. Period. This is a very small minority of sexually deviant people wanting to publicly declare that being a pervert is ok.

What's next, are the pedophile community going to rise up in indignation for not being able to boldy pursue their lusts of the flesh for hurting children.

Make no mistake here, this is a fight against the very fabric of marriage and a race to destroy our beloved country.

Rome was not destroyed by outside, but by their inward, de-evolution of sin and sexual imorallity. Rome only fell after they were weakened from within by every deceitful sin they pursued. Then the enemies stormed the gates of Rome. Every society has rise's and falls. Today we are in the Dark Ages of America, where sexually deviant people violently contest for their right to step upon the very backbone of America. I am very proud of those that would PEACEFULLY tell the truth about this heinous cancer running rampant in America today.
12:21 PM on 08/02/2012
It's amazing how people who lack biblical knowledge can quote & misinterpret scriptures. Biblically look at Abraham & the time he was in. Look at the fact that he was married to a woman.
It's so amazing how people quote Old Covenant scriptures without studying and seeing who it's talking to, what it's about, & if it even applies to the covenant that Christians have via the blood of Jesus.
Genesis 2:18-25 shows God design for marriage. In Ephesians 5, Proverb 12:4, 18:22, & 19:14....it shows God only desires that a man marry a woman. Christians aren't who you have to give an account to. We are just sharing the words of our Lord. You are the one who has to give an account for these choises. With the scriptures stated to you.....you are held accountable even more so because knowledge is given to you.
05:47 PM on 08/02/2012
You are not sharing the words of the lord. You are sharing your INTERPRETATION of documents that have been translated numerous times.

You are sharing the thoughts put in your head by parents and priests and other people who CLAIM to know and understand the meaning of these books.

Tell me exactly where in the Bible, in the original text, that homosexuality is condemned.
10:21 PM on 08/03/2012
Show me where, in the Constitution, homosexuals have the right to marry.
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10:27 PM on 08/02/2012
The Bible itself says that Abraham and Sarah were half-brother and sister and it also recounted the story of Hagar and Ishmael. It also recounted the incident of Judah and Tamar, as well as Lot and his two daughters, as well as the hundreds of wives and concubines belonging to kings David and Solomon. There is NO misinterpretation in the accounts of those incidents. Using the argument of "Biblical marriage" as an excuse to deny a group of people civil rights rightly opens the one using the argument to contempt. Then you proceed to cite "God's design for marriage" using the words of man.

Marriage is a secular civil and legal contract and has always been. In fact, a marriage is NOT even legal unless/until it is registered with the state after having a license fromt he state being granted for it regarless of what, if any church officiated at the ceremony.
09:17 AM on 08/03/2012
Why use information from a covenant that doesn't apply to you? I say that because the informations you were using occurred in a time during an Abrahamic Covenant. #2 Abraham, like most of society, don't know of God's design for marriage mentioned in Genesis 2:18-24. No one can say that Genesis 2:18-24 is under the Old Covenant because the Law hadn't begun yet. My point is that many who debate about God's design for marriage always refer back to the Old Testament/Covenant w/o actually reading/studying it. Another question I do have is why do folks/gays who debate or dis the bible always refer back to the Old Testament? How is it relevant to what is being dicussed? Without Jesus you are judged according to Law and all of it's standards. All things in it are to show your need for a Savior. In the New Covenant via the blood of Christ, it again shows that marriage is between one man and one woman.
The Gospel is neither old or new Covenant/Testament....it's the transition period between the two. And even in the Gospel marriage is shown and taught to be only for ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.

Even on the secular side people know that homo union is wrong. Homosexuality in itself is wrong. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheist, etc. agree. In the sight of man you are correct about the paperwork, but God considers marriage as a Covenant which requires no paperwork.
10:25 PM on 08/03/2012
No, marriage has not always been a 'secular civil and legal contract'. Involvement of the state is of more recent development, and it was intended to support marriage as it was derfined, NOT to redefine it. Now, government works against marriage.
12:11 PM on 08/02/2012
well as far as the wives submit to your husband........ we are a progressive society . I do not think that the lord would be pleased with some of our husbands today for being lazy. Man kinda handed over their power just a little out of laziness on that one and we had to step up to get things done. I feel that some of that scripture was a classic case of miss use. ;) if you really get to the bottom of things we are to NOT JUDGE that Gods job and we are to show empathy. boy thats not the case here is it, Oh and for the record I think it was mission accomplished just love it when pagans read the Baptist columns.
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LittleFish31617
God shall be all in all.
11:10 AM on 08/02/2012
So often, the Law of Moses is conflated with what God finds acceptable to make the argument that Christians don't live what they preach; so often, the words of Christ concerning the Law are ignored; so often, folks fail to distinguish between what actions are acceptable to God and what fell under the Law of Moses, intended to prevent the Chosen People from Baal worship (in addition to rules for keeping the nation of Isreal alive at the time).

It is true, many Christians have divorced. We often do not live up to our own expectations. However, to say that we should just give up on the Word of God because of this is like saying that a baseball team should just quit the field because the pitcher walked someone and the third baseman errored, leading to a home run by the other team.

Just because the vessels of God's message are flawed does not mean that the message is. We cannot achieve perfection, nor ever be free completely of sin and temptation. But we can continue to strive for it, helping our brothers and sisters along with their own crosses, whatever they may be. But to simply tell everyone to throw down their crosses and give up just because the load seems heavy at the moment is to not trust in Christ to help us with that load; it is to abandon the Word of the Lord.
01:19 PM on 08/02/2012
Its all made up. Powerful and power-hungry men got together, laid down some rules, and said they came from God. This allowed them to keep their subjects, and particularly women, in check. They basically created a powerful enforcer (i.e., God) so that the less powerful would self-manage cheaply.
Brilliant, if you ask me.
This HAS to be true for most, if not all religions, particularly because of the marked differences among them (e.g., Orthodox Jews and Catholics, according to their own rules, cannot both go to heaven, as Catholics believe that you have to recognize Jesus as your savior to go to heaven and Orthodox Jews don't believe in Jesus as Christ). Even religious people will acknowledge/argue that some religions are made up (ask Evangelicals about Mormonism).
If there is a God, I am sure He likes some of these rules ("thou shall not kill" seems like a winner here) while He probably laughs about others (don't eat shrimp).
Bottom line: I can't believe an all powerful all knowing God would create some of us with an innate behavior (e.g., homosexual, which I am not) and then require the rest to have those with the behavior killed (see Leviticus 20:13). It just doesn't make sense. And if that is how He wants things, I don't know if I want to be with Him.
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LittleFish31617
God shall be all in all.
02:39 PM on 08/02/2012
We do not get to make the rules. We can only trust that our Creator does indeed have our best interests at heart, and loves us, and that there is a reason for the rules that He gave us.
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01:41 PM on 08/02/2012
Why not just try cleaning your own back yard, and give your neighbours help with their lawns when asked to? My gay and lesbian friends rarely ask me my opinion about their sins, because most of them attend to them in the corporate confession in Church on Sunday. One usually leads the service.
11:06 AM on 08/02/2012
One thing most all fools have in common: Ignorance of history.

As Cicero commented, "To not know what happened before you were born is to remain forever a child."