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Wes Isley

Wes Isley

Posted: September 22, 2010 09:58 PM

How many of you have "dabbled" in another religion? Perhaps the question should be: Does the word "dabble" bother you when referencing part of your spiritual quest, even if it was only short-lived? Well, I think we'd better get used to hearing that word because, thanks to comments made by U.S. Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell about her days dabbling in witchcraft, we're going to be hearing it for a while.

Others have replayed what she said, so I'll skip the details, which are few anyway. Suffice to say O'Donnell isn't a witch today. So why is this even a news story, you ask? Because O'Donnell carries her faith into her politics for everyone to see, and liberals are having a field day using her admission of exploring something as spooky-sounding as witchcraft as a weapon to bring her down: "See, we told you she's crazy!"

Although a liberal myself, I find I'm in the unlikely position of defending O'Donnell's spiritual experimentation. Don't we celebrate freedom of religion in this country? And with that comes the freedom not only to worship as we choose but also to check out how our neighbors worship and see if we like their way better. Obviously, O'Donnell's interest in witchcraft--or Wicca, as it is known today--didn't last, and it appears she was attracted to it because of a guy. I'm sure any number of us have visited a church or read a religious book because we wanted to impress a potential boyfriend or girlfriend.

But some people like Karl Rove are calling for O'Donnell to explain herself more thoroughly. What else can she say? And why should she say anything more? True, I'm not running for political office, but the twists and turns of our spiritual paths are really no one's business but our own. At least, that's the way it should be. But consider the troubles President Obama continues to face because of his father's Muslim faith and his own affiliation with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama has said over and over that he's a Christian, but some refuse to believe it and attribute nefarious motives to whatever religion he "truly" practices.

While O'Donnell's revelation may embarrass her staunchly conservative followers and fill her detractors with glee, there is more going on here. Check out the comments on pagan blogs like The Wild Hunt or Pantheon, and there's obviously more at stake than just O'Donnell's political future. Practicing Wiccans and other pagans--a group I loosely lump myself into--are upset at how their faith is once again being portrayed in the media. Ask yourself: Do you ever hear of anyone "dabbling" in Episcopalianism? Any Jewish "dabbler" stories out there? But whenever someone shows an interest in an alternative spiritual path, it's considered "dabbling," which carries dismissive connotations. But those who try out various Christian or other mainstream faiths are "soul searching."

Also implied in O'Donnell's statements about her brief Wiccan past and the media's treatment of those comments is the opinion that anyone who would practice witchcraft or something like it is simply too silly to be in public office. Someone might want to tell Dan Halloran, a pagan who represents New York City's 19th district. From my own perspective, Wiccan and pagan beliefs are only silly to those who don't know what they're talking about, which appears to be the case with O'Donnell herself. She may have, indeed, been hanging out with some "questionable people," and they may have told her they were witches and worshipped Satan, but her passing experience resembles nothing of what I know about Wicca. A friend of mine from high school is today a practicing witch, and I had the honor of conducting her wedding in 2009--no blood or Satan in sight.

And if pagans aren't considered "silly," then we're "dangerous" or "Satanic." But these weapons are used against other faiths as well. Currently, Muslims are everyone's favorite bogeyman. And don't forget the questions former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney faced about his own Mormon faith when he ran for President in 2008.

When I left Christianity and turned toward a pagan spiritual path, word got back to me that someone whom I admire had dismissed it as a phase. Perhaps he considered me a "dabbler." I seriously doubt he would've had the same reaction had I simply moved my membership to another Baptist church in town. And here I am today an interfaith minister, what some might consider the ultimate "dabbler." But that choice reflects the twists and turns my spiritual life has taken, and offers me a way to both express the appreciation I have for all faiths and to serve those with an alternative approach to spirit.

In the end, I don't know what motivated O'Donnell to explore witchcraft or why she eventually turned to a conservative form of Christianity. Perhaps she needed to "dabble" a bit in order to find her way, and ultimately, her choice of faith needs to be respected. That same respect should be demanded by every person of faith, regardless of our choice of theology or practice, for it is the path itself--and the "dabbling" along the way--that are sacred.

 
How many of you have "dabbled" in another religion? Perhaps the question should be: Does the word "dabble" bother you when referencing part of your spiritual quest, even if it was only short-lived? We...
How many of you have "dabbled" in another religion? Perhaps the question should be: Does the word "dabble" bother you when referencing part of your spiritual quest, even if it was only short-lived? We...
 
 
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11:14 AM on 09/29/2010
Her characterization of her dabbling in witchcraft as youthful rebellion is very sweet, but from what I know about witchcraft, it's about power and getting more of it, not about religion. Someone who desires power so strongly scares me, especially when they have a chance of having power over thousands or even millions of people. I'd like to know more about why she's so interested in power. This has nothing to do with pagans and wiccans worshipping the earth.
11:14 AM on 11/01/2010
As a practitioner for 30 years now I would not characterize witchcraft the way you do here. It is NEVER about acquiring power over others, but about acquiring power over one's self. O'Donnell never "dabbled" in witchcraft. Nothing she describes even relates to witchcraft at all.
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PaganKMcK
Dems are from Earth; GOP are from Ferenginar
12:49 PM on 09/25/2010
Christine O' Donnell did not dabble in Witchcraft at least not Wicca. If she had she would have at least know a little something about the subject.

Over the years, I have watched Conservative Fundamentalist evangelicals (I am not talking about all Christians here) who talk about other religions in derisive tones. They will often say "I used to be this, no I'm not. It was so Satanic and all these things of Satan happened" yadda, yadda, yadda bull crap. I think it was just one of those stories.

Having said that. I really don't care what she did in HIgh School or what she said she did . My concern is that O'Donnell seems to have a history of dishonesty and this story is the least of it. There is a complaint against her about how she spent her campaign funds. Ultimately that is much more an important issue than what she may or may not have done in High School.

Still it is important that pagan religions practitioners do take this moment to better educate people about their religious practices.
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PaganKMcK
Dems are from Earth; GOP are from Ferenginar
01:03 PM on 09/25/2010
That should have read "I used to be this, now I'm not. It was so Satanic and all these things of Satan happened"
11:16 AM on 11/01/2010
Here statement is akin to the bigot saying "some of my friends are black (Mex'can, Jews, gay, etc.). It's a particularly insidious form of bigotry.
04:51 PM on 09/24/2010
I once dabbled in Catholicism.
12:16 PM on 11/03/2010
Same, but thankfully I got away from all that Satanic nonsense. ;)
12:11 AM on 09/24/2010
Only if she were a witch at least I could live with that. However, she and others on the right are demonizing government, health care, poor, gays, unemployed, etc., with a vicious intolerance, total lack of compassion or a smidgen of Christianity.

Her claim like many Teapublicans is that America is under assault. She and the Teapublicans have successfully created an atmosphere of paranoia and all Americans, people in foreign lands, all are left with a profound mentality of being in a continuous siege.

She demonizes s.e.x. She and others attack Obama as if he was some evil spirit who has invaded their body politic.

Their behavior models for what once were civil and well intentioned citizens that it is acceptable and normal to purge from society other people even unto death if they are an obstacle to Teapublican candidates and their agenda (aka fantasies) Armed and Dangerous, Don’t retreat Reload are examples.

Why demonize others? If your opponent is Satan, then anything you do to combat them is justified. If your enemy is demonic, any action against him is permissible as Roeder believed.

If she was only a witch I lament, but she and her fellow intolerant radicals should be questioned about which of their fellow Americans they view as and what justifies demonizing them. That list of course would be too long even if they single spaced it. To make it easier on all, I suggest they just write down those they won’t.
03:25 PM on 09/23/2010
I have no issue with O'Donnell and her "dabbling". I agree with the article regarding alternative relgions termed as "dabbling" but exploration of another more mainstream religion is considered "soul searching". That has a lot to do with our lack of respect for that which one does not understand.

That aside, I would like to point out that while O'Donnell claimes to have "dabbled" in "witchcraft" please do not assume it was Wicca. Not all forms of witchcraft are related to the religion of Wicca.
12:18 PM on 11/03/2010
Most Wiccans and witches will tell you any form of "Satan worship," "dark magic," etc. is neither Wicca nor witchcraft. Witches do not believe in the Christian devil; that is reserved for Christians and Christian-offshoots like Satanism.
02:18 AM on 09/23/2010
Taken against the background of her fact free and basically absurd pronouncements and her decision to avoid national media because they ask questions for which she cannot provide a rational answer, it would seem fair to suppose that O'Donnell "dabbled" in "witchcraft" (by which I assume she means "wicca") because she's a mentally and emotionally unstable flake. What is really alarming is not her religious experimentation such as it may be --I cannot imagine that this twit actually learned anything of substance about pagan religion-- but the fact that she is considered a viable candidate for the US Senate. Now THAT is scary, more frightening than anything attributed to witches fictional or real. This is the same woman who made a minor career of "reparative therapy" for gays which speaks volumes about her inability to distinguish fact from fiction. If O'Donnell has ever had a relationship with reality it must have been a one-night stand.
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Anon Ymous
11:44 PM on 09/22/2010
The real issue behind Ms. O'Donnell's candidacy has nothing to do with her personal spirituality. Most of us take pride in the fact that we live in a free country, have constitutionally established separation of church and state, and are free, perhaps even encouraged, to pursue our own spiritual paths toward happiness and self fulfillment. Ms. O'Donnell's religion isn't any of anyone's business. she is entitled to pursue, or dabble, in as many faiths or traditions as she chooses without having to explain herself to the public.

The reality, however, is that as a Tea Party candidate much of her support is derived from fundamentalist christians. She is endorsed by Sarah Pailin. In pursuit of the religious values voting block, they have chosen to make religion a part of their political platform...and therein lies the problem. It is most certainly a form of "hypocrisy" that we frequently call out in the political realm when politicians choose to campaign on religion and moral issues that belong in the PERSONAL and not POLITICAL space. And yet do not reflect the personal choices and lifestyles embodied therein. If Ms. O'Donnell does not want her "dabbling" to be an issue, she should not choose to make religion a part of her campaign or platfrom and shouldn't seek votes by pandering to fundamentalists who want to revise history and establish an american theocracy.

And isn't the real point here that religion and politics should be widely separated one from the other.
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iam7545 r
09:55 PM on 09/22/2010
She appeared on Mahers show as a rep of a conservative Christian group - come on already.

Where was the outrage when Dennis K talked about being "VISITED" in a presidential debate? All that was missing was the tinfoil and yes - he wrote of this in detail in his little read book.

Oh the smell of hypocrisy in the evening
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
08:10 AM on 09/23/2010
Kucinich was never trying to sway others over to his beliefs about extraterrestrials and certainly wasn't trying to recast American culture and the political system as O'Donnell and her followers are. True, Kucinich didn't get much of a bashing for his out-of-the-mainstream comments, but when it does happen, as in O'Donnell's case, it interesting to see the prejudices (which everyone has) rise to the surface.
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iam7545 r
08:54 AM on 09/23/2010
She was never trying to impose wiccanism on anyone nor is she running on ANY social issues. This is simply how liberals deal with people they dont agree with. Biggest bunch of prejudiced people I have ever seen. Grade school behavior with 21st century hypocrisy.
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Janicot
Been to paradise, never been to me...
08:42 PM on 09/22/2010
Somehow I don't get the feeling that her "dabbling" was part and parcel of any form of spiritual exploration. In fact, her appearance on Bill Maher's program back in '99 doesn't even appear credible to me. It's as though she was making things up off the top of her head just to stay engaged in the conversation.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
09:09 PM on 09/22/2010
Well, look at her when she said it. Did she look or sound like she even believed it, really? She just was used to certain standard lines, and Maher called her out on it.

Kinda wish he'd given her more rope.
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KringasJones
01:16 PM on 09/23/2010
The second I heard it it sounded made up to me.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:27 PM on 09/22/2010
""Also implied in O'Donnell's statements about her brief Wiccan past""

*Have* there been any, btw? It seems she said 'Satanic 'witch' ' about a 'picnic' and said some things about 'questionable characters.'

I know that a lot of people talking her talk like to claim Pagans are worshipping their Devil, (and in fact say 'Wicca' and 'Things we say are Satanic whether that's true or not' are synonymous, but I don't think she's actually made any connection in such a way, Mr. Isley, and I'm not in much of a hurry to assume she ever heard so much as a Blessed be in whatever incident she mentioned.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
08:13 AM on 09/23/2010
I agree completely, and I was saying "brief Wiccan past" in the broadest of terms. I think O'Donnell thinks she had a past in witchcraft, and I think she thinks it makes her appear "worldly" and--gasp--educated. Anyone with any humility would never have brought it up. True, she was young when she appeared on that TV show, but one date certainly does not a witch make. So she should've kept quiet.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:23 PM on 09/22/2010
The real thing this shows is what kind of Christian Right radicals are being put on the 'Tea Party' ticket that claims to be 'just' about 'taxes and 'values.''

It has nothing to do with Wicca or Pagans: except that these kinds of confabulations: (Reality of her 'occult dabbling?' Probably a date with some kid at *most* scamming on her with heavy metal lyrics) ...are often applied to us by the same kind of people who casually claim things about blood and altars to their Satan, as well as claiming, oh, I dunno, 'Masturbation is adultery?'

Yeah, I'm sure we'll get a lot of silly questions, and a lot of right-wing churches will feel they need to redouble their usual rhetorical witch-hunts, but I think what this story is *really* about is that maybe people shouldn't be in such a hurry to vote based on a couple of 'family values' platitude speeches.
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Jrg Frei
08:02 PM on 09/22/2010
I can tell you how it will play out;

She will lose ...BIG.
The Right/FOX will take her under their wings.....and will claim that she is an other victim ( like SP) of the liberal anti women media.
She will get a gig at FOX...or writes a book and..of for sure...will rake in thousands of $ for speaking engagements.

well....at least she has not to embezzle any $ anymore.
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Janicot
Been to paradise, never been to me...
08:39 PM on 09/22/2010
Yep, and I'll bet she starts her new gig on November 3rd.
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SrAN
1st time proud pagan mom since May 16
07:52 PM on 09/22/2010
From her accounts it sounds to me that she was around a bunch of kids who were mimicking what they see on tv and movies. She didn't "dabble" in anything other than fantasy made up by high school wanting to get their kicks playing with "evil" things.

I find this whole thing sad. I am a very open Pagan. I make my religion known, using pictures as my desktop background and wearing jewelry/talismans. I am very willing to tell people what they mean when they ask (and only when they ask, I don't believe in shoving it down their throats, most think it is just pretty jewelry and pictures). I have run into a few people who knew what the symbols were and shyly approached me about why I have them up. When I explain a look of ease comes over their face because they are closet Pagans. I guess I have been lucky so far but these people have ran into alot of opposition due to their religion. I have ran into a few people who think my Pentacles and Triskeles are "satanic" and I have to explain they are not since I dont believe in Satan. This woman's comments are completely unnecessary. She is only furthering the stigma people have against Pagans. She only futhers thoughts that we are evil, chicken slaughtering heathens (ok heathens maybe lol) who dabble in all that is evil. I can say, I only kill chickens when I want soup.
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CMB1969
raging moderate
10:23 PM on 09/22/2010
Whats wrong with slaughtering chickens? That is an accepted practice among a number of quite legitimate religious traditions--Santeria comes to mind immediately.
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
11:00 PM on 09/22/2010
Well, no one said there necessarily *had* to be: Voudou and Santeria folks get accused of being all part of the same 'witchcraft' that certain Christians accuse people of 'Satanism' about, too: in fact, they like to lump it all together and add Hollywood and heavy metal and their own witch-hunt fables or whatever and make it seem as scary and confusing as possible, when it's really not the same things.

That's kind of the point.
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SrAN
1st time proud pagan mom since May 16
08:29 PM on 09/23/2010
I was only using it as an example. That is usually the stereotype, the lone person in his/her basement with all sorts of weird pictures on the wall, chanting mumbo jumbo while beheading a chicken in front of all of his brothers and sisters who are locked away in cages.
12:57 AM on 09/24/2010
Unfortunately, she is still acting with immaturity and instead of mimicking and getting her kicks playiing with evil things, she models behavior dressed up in the radical right fantasy and models behavior for other to mimick. Instead of slaughtering chickens, they have moved onto demonizing others like gays, abortion, sex, unemployed and government.

What once was a bunch of kids are now possible senators and represenatives with a very long list of fellow groups of Americans they are or will demonize so as to justify their lack of governance and citizenship toward them.
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ESerafina42
Abandoned by wolves, raised by Republicans.
07:35 PM on 09/22/2010
Personally, I doubt she "dabbled" in Wicca. I think you need to make the distinction, which is what most people don't seem to be doing, between the actual religion of Wicca and people playing what they think is Satanism. Blood-spattered altars sounds more like the second of those two things to me.
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
08:17 AM on 09/23/2010
I agree with you--but what bothers me is others calling her out as if she has to explain something. She may have been misinformed and misled, but she obviously didn't know that at the time. And she probably never gave it another thought until that TV show. A more thoughtful person might have researched things a bit more before opening their mouth--but, in the end, all we know that she did was go on 1 date and then talk about what happened. Certainly no crime. So I wish other politicians and media folk would let it be. Nothing else to see here--please move along. But it only reveals their own religious prejudice.
Javalation
Laughing in a Daydream
06:47 PM on 09/22/2010
I find her account of this experience to at least be suspect. But what I find objectionable about her isn't her witchcraft, but her Christianity. She made the statement that if Christians don't legislate their morality then someone elses morality is being legislated. This coming from a 40 year old virgin who considers almost all sexual activities immoral, and possibly subject to outlawing. And if she feels this way about sex, what other legal activities would she want to outlaw.

Perhaps a reporter could ask these questions, except that she has now announced that she owes no explanations to anyone, and will only allow Fox entertainment to interview her..
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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
08:08 PM on 09/22/2010
Her account is both suspect and doesn't resemble Wicca in any way. (The author seems to draw connections that maybe even she doesn't, though her kind of churches often do) In all these years, I just don't seem to remember the 'blood picnic date on Christian diabolist's Satanic altar' bit. :)
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Wes Isley
Writer and interfaith minister
08:20 AM on 09/23/2010
Everyone who hears or reads this story is drawing connections and making inferences--and that's kind of my point. Whatever happened on that "date on the altar" really is insignificant and should be left in the past.
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CMB1969
raging moderate
10:31 PM on 09/22/2010
Is she supposed to be a virgin? I thought that she claims to have been quite sexually active (along with being a heavy drinker) in college prior to her conversion to evangelical christianity. of course no 'born again' story by an evangelical preacher or someone on the evangelical lecture circuit would be complete without a vivid description of what a wicked, sinful person they were prior to accepting Jesus into their heart and making him their personal saviour--that is simply one of the literary conventions of the genre.