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What if Republicans Had a Debate on Military Spending?

Posted: 08/28/2012 12:41 pm

David Carr of the New York Times has rightly described the major party conventions as extended infomercials with little controversy to draw viewers away from reality TV or, this week, from dangerous weather. But there may be one exception. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has pledged to use his speaking slot to call for cuts in Pentagon spending if and until the department can pass an audit. As Paul puts it, "one of the messages that I will give to them [convention delegates] is that Republicans need to acknowledge that not every dollar is well spent or sacred in the military and we have to look for ways to make every department accountable."

Rand Paul's message is consistent with the position that his father Ron Paul took during his presidential campaign. In fact, the elder Paul stood together with liberal Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank in endorsing up to $1 trillion in Pentagon cuts over the next decade, a figure comparable to what would be called for under the allegedly disastrous implementation of automatic cuts under the process known as sequestration. In a significant example of counter-programming, Republican Senators Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and John McCain of Arizona have been touring the country on a misleading scare campaign that has been suggesting that cuts at the level called for under sequestration would devastate the economy and hollow out our military.

Meanwhile, in the House of Representatives, Rep. Mick Mulvaney (D-SC) joined Barney Frank in promoting a successful amendment to cut Pentagon spending, a refreshing switch from the hysterical calls for high Pentagon outlays by members such as House Armed Services Committee chair Howard P. "Buck" McKeon, who never met a weapons contractor he didn't like.

This all brings us to the Republican ticket itself, where Mitt Romney and his running mate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) have historically been far apart in their proposals for how much money to throw at the Pentagon. After initially endorsing the Obama administration's approach, Ryan's most recent budget road map calls for increasing Pentagon spending by $400 billion above what the Pentagon is currently asking for, spread out over the next decade. But Ryan's proposed increase is pocket change compared to Romney's longstanding call for setting the Pentagon budget at 4 percent of Gross Domestic Product, an approach which would increase Pentagon spending by an astonishing $2 trillion over the next 10 years. When confronted with the question of how he would pay for this huge increase without raising taxes, Romney mumbled something about eliminating waste in the Pentagon -- a nonsensical statement given that he has already committed to spending 4 percent of GDP on the Pentagon, come hell or high water. Under this plan, any waste Romney identifies would simply be plowed back into the Pentagon budget to pay for other programs.

Given this wide range of views -- from a real cut, to a moderate increase, to an irresponsible and massive infusion of new funds -- one might ask which position on Pentagon spending represents the true Republican party. Given that he is the nominee, one would assume that Romney's plan would carry the day. But it is so out of line with reality that it's hard to believe he could carry it out in full if elected.

What if the Republican Party had a real debate on Pentagon spending that addressed the underlying issue of what our military is for? Should we be poised to fight major wars of occupation and/or counterinsurgency like those in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do we need 700-plus foreign military bases? Why are we investing in new nuclear bomb facilities, bombers and submarines at a time when maintaining the U.S. arsenal at current levels serves no useful purpose? It's probably too late for that to happen this year, on the verge of a presidential election, but it would be both refreshing and responsible if it were to happen in the years to come.

William D. Hartung is the director of the Arms and Security Project at the Center for International Policy and the author of Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex.

 
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10:37 AM on 08/30/2012
Almost $1 trillion dollars each year for the military and super secretive surveillance organisations. About 40% of all tax dollars collected.

The US should by rights be leading the world and showing the way in developing useful constructive technology - perhaps I hazard a guess in something like renewable energy.

Instead there is 19th century gunboat diplomacy and enslavement to big money and conservative dogma.
03:33 PM on 08/29/2012
Military spending appears to be something we cannot seriously debate in this country, because the agents of fear and paranoia have succeeded in convincing a solid majority of the public that the rest of the world is lined up against us. Were it not so, how could we justify spending more on our War Department (as the Defense Department was known in more honest days) than the next twenty nations combined? Only if we assume that other big spenders such as the UK and Israel are secretly preparing to attack us can we justify the amount. Similarly, we need to maintain bases in Germany and Italy so as to prevent them from mounting a secret attack.
Since 95% of Americans don't travel abroad, don't know anyone from another industrialized nation, and don't get any news from foreign sources, it is easy to maintain the illusion that everybody is out to get us.
11:25 AM on 08/29/2012
Assuming, of course, they know where those countries are located.
10:30 AM on 08/29/2012
It used to be in the days of Empires, that trade followed the flag. That is not the case anymore. While European empires of the previous two centuries were able to turn their military conquests into a profit making venture, the US has wasted resources and lives in a self-appointed role as world policeman.

The United States ranks 11th in quality of life compared to other countries, according to Newsweek and its place is largely due to resources allocated to its military. For example, if the United States has no effective challenger on the open seas, why spend about $8 billion for yet another huge aircraft carrier which is destined to rust in a salt water harbour as it has no use. That same money could be used to repair delapadated bridges and roadways. It's all choices.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
12:19 PM on 08/29/2012
"European empires of the previous two centuries were able to turn their military conquests into a profit making venture".

Ah, but that was before Geneva Conventions and other bothersome rules made colonial life harder. One has trouble today imagining the Belgian King having the limbs cut off of any Congo inhabitant who didn't work hard enough for his royal pecuniary benefit.

But with the human rights regression picking up speed, there is "hope" that one day, again, colonial theft, extortion and forced labor make their comeback, all in the name of "investor value".
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
12:24 PM on 08/29/2012
(Also, in addition to my other comment, permit me to remark that the Bush administration DID try to make trade follow the flag through the US-drafted Iraqi oil bill which , despite bribes and threats leveled at Iraqi parliamentarians, was never enacted - much to the chagrin of US oil companies who had banked on it.)
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niumarmion
a temporary being
09:32 AM on 08/29/2012
They have closed door debates about how to distribute the spoils to the 1%.
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Ryan Kenneth Leddy
Facts have a liberal bias.
09:20 AM on 08/29/2012
Point Blank: It will be absolutely impossible to ever reduce the deficit, let alone balance as Republicans promise, while at the same time calling for massive tax cuts, particularly the plans of Both Romney and Ryan which would reduce revenues by over $10 trillion in the next decade, and increasing defense spending. Romney's plan to link the DOD's base budget to 4% GDP would increase spending by $2.3 trillion over the next decade.

Next year, because of the Budget Control Act, we already have a set discretionary spending level of $1.264 trillion. $773.7 billion of that goes toward the DOD, Homeland Security, and CIA, leaving a mere $490.3 billion for EVERYTHING ELSE. If, Republicans are to reduce the deficit as promised while also increasing defense spending and slashing tax revenues then nearly every single penny of that will need to be cut, along with the complete gutting of entitlements.

All of this and the Republican Party as a whole, including Romney, back having a balanced budget amendment. The non-partisan CBPP did a projections analysis of what would happen if the 2012 budget were balanced through spending cuts alone and they came to a conclusion that it would require $1.5 trillion in cuts this year alone. This could cause the unemployment rate to double causing 15 million people to lose their job and shrinking the economy by 17 percent.

The Republican Ideology is no longer based on reality or logic.
HansB
The only good certainty is a dead certainty
12:25 PM on 08/29/2012
"The Republican Ideology is no longer based on reality or logic."

Perhaps it is, but a reality and logic they cannot publicly admit.
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Rick Daley
08:12 AM on 08/29/2012
But we really need more $900 hammers and $15,000 toilet seats.
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surfinnonreality
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06:21 AM on 08/29/2012
When will the left ask the same questions about social spending? When will they look at all the programs and consolidate the duplication?. When will they decide that there are programs that can be cut because they are no longer effective or they are out of date? When the left is willing to take the same approach to cutting social spending as it wants to take to the defense of the country, then they might find some kindred spirits on the right.
03:35 PM on 08/29/2012
Uh, can you say "Bill Clinton"?
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surfinnonreality
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07:47 PM on 08/29/2012
What about now when we really need it?
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sawadee2000
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02:44 AM on 08/29/2012
This is one debate the American people will never hear. Under the canard of national "defense" are many tens of billions (if not hundreds) in useless weapons systems which neither help to keep us secure or enhance the military's ability of meet the challenges of the future. The Republicans are always decrying "government spending" but conveniently ignore it when it is going to the the defense contractors in their states and districts. What hypocrites!
03:39 PM on 08/29/2012
Not only the Republicans! Democrats are certainly no slackers when it comes to earmarks for their supporters. And by "supporters" I mean campaign contributors. For a while I had the misfortune of working for a shylock defense contractor here in Virginia. Just about everyone in the little company was a staunch Republican, including the owner. But he made big time contributions to the Democrat in the adjoining Congressional district, and so the DARPA contract money continued to flow. Every day I worked there I felt like I should be wearing a slime suit.
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Zephersand
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02:12 AM on 08/29/2012
Could you imagine trying to explain why a democracy should have the military equivalent of Victoria's British Empire. The United States is always speaking of freedom and freedom means choice, yet we have this great to impose our will on other countries in their homelands. The United States could insure peace just as easy by letting go of these great choak holds called military bases and letting other countries decide for themselves how they will live and just finding ways to trade with the system of government that is there.
Protecting shipping lanes I can understand and if a country needs help with pirates or we have to protect our ships from pirates but the bases we have around the world are for control not protection. Japan has not been a threat to anyone for how many years so why do we have bases in Okinawa? Germany is thriving why cant we let them take care of the base there and have agreement that they will help us if we have wounded that need to be sent there? Korea is a big boy let it defend itself.
Lets let them do the job now and go home.
03:46 PM on 08/29/2012
They would tell you that our bases in Okinawa are there because of China and North Korea. As for the bases in Germany, UK, and Italy, the local governments are forced to help pay the costs (and some think only the Mafia sells "protection") against a threat that vanished two decades ago.

One of the characteristics of the typical military mind is preparation for the last war instead of the next one. We, along with our allies the British and French, illustrated that beautifully both in World War I and World War 2. This sad lack of imagination and insight perhaps helps explain the persistence of NATO, the gigantic expenditures on aircraft carriers and air superiority fighters, and our maintenance of a military presence in over 100 countries worldwide.
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
11:55 PM on 08/28/2012
The sole purpose for having American soldiers killed in war is to enrich the owners and executives of the military industry.
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Ockhams Hammock
Debate is good. Sending Obama help is better.
11:26 PM on 08/28/2012
The only way Romney can have a much larger military without breaking the bank is to have India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam and China use cheap labor to build our weapons. Now there's a bright idea from Romney, the asset stripper. Can you imagine foreign companies poring over American blueprints for these weapons? Can you imagine engineers playing around with the computer chips that control these systems? Yeah, sure, we need Romney the job outsourcer who couldn't be bothered to save Detroit.

I realize this must sound a little fantastic to people but we've been doing more and more of this over the last ten years. The more technology we transfer overseas and the more we rely on the resources of other nations for our military and economy, the less real defense the United States really has.

One reason we won WWII is that we were very self-reliant and had the resources.

But there was another reason: the can do factor. The British, Canadians, Australians, and particularly the Russians played important roles in World War II but it was the Americans who always got things done. Your jeep broke down? Find an American. You're short on rifles? Find an American. You need a certain sized bolt for landing craft? Find an American.

One of the embarrassments in Iraq was that the contractors were incapable of jury rigging anything. Every job cost a bundle just for the consultants. Much of the money for Iraq went to Friends of George.
03:52 PM on 08/29/2012
In World War 2 we were blessed, particularly vis a vis the British and Soviets, by not having enemy troops on our soil or enemy aircraft overhead bombing our war industry. As the US is so much larger than either Canada or Australia, it is unfair to make a direct comparison between us and either of them. Yes, we did mobilize and out-produce our enemies by a large margin. And yes, that was an important factor. But to dismiss the role of other countries - particularly the Soviet Union - is both historically inaccurate and undiplomatic. In crude numbers: in the fall of 1944 the Germans had 2/3 of their divisions on the eastern front. Imagine, if you will, what would have happened had they been able to throw another 100 divisions at us.
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Ockhams Hammock
Debate is good. Sending Obama help is better.
04:31 PM on 08/29/2012
I was talking about what we were capable of doing then, and what we are capable of doing now. Step by step, year by year, we are losing our know how and our pragmatism. This has been a growing issue for some twenty years, probably longer. A good non-military example is that Enron's executives could not scale a project in India to the needs of the Indians. It was a fiasco and contributed to the downfall of Enron.
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08:21 PM on 08/29/2012
Jobs going overseas is a different issue. You do not need to worry about other countries building weapons for us cheaply. Military hardware is just about the only thing we produce now. It is big business for the MIC.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/us-arms-sales-2011_n_1833602.html
11:19 PM on 08/28/2012
Debate on military spending? Ha it would go a little like this. "I think it is time to address the Pentagon's burg......... Hey, look over there it is Iran!" BOOM boom boom, rat a tat tat. Few thousand rounds of playing taps. Then.... "what were we saying?"
09:37 PM on 08/28/2012
Debate on military spending? Why, so our troops in Afghanistan get stiffed? I mean, c'mon, it's not like Obama is directing mass evacuations of our military from the field there. Get our troops home first, then have the discussion, cool?
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Zephersand
Just a speck of dust in the scheme of things
02:20 AM on 08/29/2012
I would agree with you but as long as there is money to be made there will be people pressuring the government to remain there. If the military money tit were to dry up do you think these corporations would be pressuring the government to stay.
03:53 PM on 08/29/2012
If one accepts the Iraq conflict as indicative of spending, then we are spending somewhat less than $100 Billion in Afghanistan. That is but a small share of the DoD budget.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
09:22 PM on 08/28/2012
If such a thing happened, I'd know I fell down the rabbit hole into Wonderland.