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William K. Black

William K. Black

Posted: August 12, 2010 10:39 AM

Notre Dame Law School Professor Gerard Bradley criticized United States District Court Judge Vaughan Walker, who heard the challenge to the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8, on the grounds that the judge was unfit to hear the case if the reports that he was gay were correct (see my post on New Deal 2.0: "Gay Judges Need Not Apply"). Proposition 8 sought to overturn the decision of the California Supreme Court that it was unconstitutional to forbid gays to marry. Bradley also complained that the trial that Judge Walker conducted demonstrated his bias. Bradley claimed that everyone:

[C]ould probably agree with the explanation offered by conservative commentator Ed Whelan who has observed that Walker has been determined from the outset "to use the case to advance the cause of same-sex marriage."


I do not doubt that Judge Walker made up his mind about Prop 8 before the trial began.

Bradley's attack on Judge Walker as unfit to decide the case if the reports of him being gay were accurate has received considerable attention, but Bradley and Whelan's attack on the trial itself is equally revealing. Bradley explained in his 2003 National Review article "Stand and Fight: Don't Take Gay Marriage Lying Down" why he feared a trial by any judge. The fundamental problem for the anti-gay forces was the Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas declaring unconstitutional the state law making consensual adult sodomy a crime. The Supreme Court decision confirmed its unwillingness to treat "traditional attitudes towards homosexuality" as legitimate bases for discriminating against gays.

Bradley was writing to an audience that largely shared those "traditional attitudes towards homosexuality," so he was unusually open about the nature of those attitudes.

Justice Scalia is surely right that "many Americans do not want [openly gay] persons . . . as partners in their business, as scoutmasters for their children . . . or as boarders in their home."

Or as the newlyweds next door.

Bradley recognizes that whether we describe these "traditional attitudes" as revulsion, discrimination, or homophobia, they provide no rational basis for laws that discriminate against homosexuals.

Justice Scalia seems to say that the law limits marriage to one man and one woman because of society's "moral disapprobation of homosexual conduct" (and says that the Court's majority deems that motive unconstitutional). What would be the reasoned basis for that "disapprobation"? Feelings of repulsion won't do, since feelings are not reasons at all.

Indeed, Scalia's dissent proved the point that the majority made in Lawrence -- the majority was discriminating because it despised a minority group, a classic violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Bradley warned his readers that trying to prove to a court that there was a "rational basis" for discriminating against gays was a disastrous legal strategy.

Hawaii tried to prove in same-sex-marriage litigation several years ago that "gay" households handicapped kids -- in strictly non-moral, mostly psychological ways -- in school and in life. It was a disaster; even the state's experts couldn't show that it was so.

This is why opponents of homosexual marriage are desperate to avoid any trial in which they would be required to support their claims that such marriages would harm heterosexuals' marriages. Note that the disasters that Bradley fears are not televised hearings or the harassment of experts testifying in opposition to homosexual marriage. The disaster he fears is any fair trial because it will expose the fact the attacks on gays are baseless. He recognizes that this will cause immense harm to those that wish to discriminate against homosexuals by exposing their bias and by demonstrating that gays are normal rather than demonic. The single most important reason that Americans, particularly Americans under the age of 50, have dramatically reduced their antipathy for gays is that far more gays are now openly gay. Americans increasingly recognize that they are colleagues, friends, and relatives of gays and that gays are normal, rather than the despised "other." Bradley understands that this normalization is the greatest threat to preserving discrimination against gays and is desperate to counter it.

The clock is running out for another reason, too: Same-sex marriage is rapidly being normalized, culturally and legally. Many same-sex couples already consider themselves married, and expect to be treated as such. In many jurisdictions they are -- more or less, depending on how many concessions the law has made to them on adoption, survivors' benefits, and the like.

Bradley was so convinced of the anti-gay forces' inability to provide a rational basis for prohibiting homosexuals to marry that he proposed three strategies to restore the right to discriminate against gays. His initial strategy is simply a holding action designed to buy time to implement his primary strategy. He calls for massive resistance to gays from conservatives in every sector of society:

What then is to be done? Conservatives must hold the defensive lines -- in state courts, in legislatures, in corporate America -- as best they can. These efforts will come to naught, however, if the [Supreme] Court stays its course.

It is revealing that Bradley wants "corporate America" to "hold the defensive lines" against gays. What is the corporate basis for opposing rights and benefits for gays? Does he want corporate policies to be adopted based on whether they embody a "conservative" ideology hostile to gays? What "defensive line" are corporations supposed to patrol in this struggle against gays? Does he want corporations to fire, and refuse to hire, gays? Does he want corporations to display hostility towards gay employees? Does he want them to treat gay employees as second class employees? Encouraging corporations to discriminate against gays is bad for business. It is also an admission and celebration of animus. And why is hostility towards gays a "conservative" value?

Bradley's primary strategy is passage of a constitutional amendment removing the protection of the 14th amendment from homosexuals who wish to marry. His secondary strategy, which he believes would fail, is to create a new "natural law" theory that would provide a rational basis for the return of even the most draconian forms of discrimination against gays.

Bradley believes that criminalizing consensual adult homosexual sex is appropriate -- to "protect marriage":

And so the rational basis of [sodomy] laws such as Texas' was to protect and promote marriage, if in a very limited way.

But, as this example shows, and Bradley and Robert George, a fellow new natural law theorist, have acknowledged in their articles, the "rational basis" for prohibiting homosexual marriage that they claim arise from their theories cannot be demonstrated. Bradley supports upholding laws imprisoning gays for years on felony charges (for having consensual sex) in order to promote heterosexual marriages "in a very limited way." He knows that he could not demonstrate this claimed rational basis if a trial were held at which he had to prove his assertions. This is why those hostile to gay rights feared a trial on Proposition 8 rather than relishing the opportunity to back up their claims in court.

Cross-posted from New Deal 2.0.

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MoeJava
Labor Unions built and supported the middle class
06:48 PM on 08/21/2010
if religious people insist upon making political statements, and religions (in general) insist upon crafting legislation, then take away their tax exemptions because they clearly do not understand there is a division between church and state; thus they ought to pay their fair share of property and income taxes, and stop hiding behind their religious exemption.
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03:06 AM on 08/17/2010
The Salguod comment has a great point. It expresses a truth not discussed. The 'Church' is not an organization that can be selective. It's authority is it's own. There are self called churches with corporate affections. But are untrue. The real problem exists in the 'Bashing' part of this argument. People are human. And there for free willed. As the 'united states' constitution states that a freedom and happiness is to all entitled. The Church need not point fingers. It's moral concept is it's own. And need not pick on anyone.
02:32 AM on 08/20/2010
actually the Constitution does not guarantee happiness, it grants the right of "the Pursuit of happiness"
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Salguod
We don't need no stinking badges (or micro-bio)
02:22 PM on 08/16/2010
First, I'm in favor of allowing gays to marry. But really, we missed the boat long ago. In the United States, we are supposed to have a separation of church and state. NO government (not federal, state, or local) should be issuing "Marriage Licenses". Government should only be issuing Civil Union licenses. That is their business. Nobody would care who got a Civil Union license, and it would be open to all.

Churches should be doing the "marriage", not the government. If that were the case, we wouldn't have this problem of the government trying to define and limit a religious institution. Marriage would be up to the individual church making the marriage. You would go to the government to make or dissolve your civil union. You would go to the church to make or dissolve your marriage. The two should be completely separate. Government shouldn’t be deciding who can marry.
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02:48 PM on 08/16/2010
Government already decides which religious weddings it will recognize as marriage and which it will not. Gay couples have been marrying in churches and synagogues that stand against anti-gay discrimination for some two decades now. They can even be wed by the venerable United Church of Christ (Obama's denomination when he lived in Chicago) with its roots going back to colonial America. So, in effect, the opponents of gay marriage who base their opposition in religion are demanding that the state determine which churches and synagogues are right in this regard and which are wrong. Doesn't get any more blatantly unconstitutional than that.
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
03:25 PM on 08/16/2010
Marriage is a contract, not a religious institution. It always has been. I'm a married atheist and I don't need one more dividing line between me and the religious people of the world. Not until gay people wanted to marry did anyone have a problem with some of us getting married with no religion involved and some getting married with religion involved. So it's not really about religion in the slightest.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
11:59 AM on 08/16/2010
On this whole interracial issues, blacks were not trying to redefine the term marriage. Which is what you want. Leave the term marriage alone, get your own term and there won't be a problem. It has nothing to do with discrimination, it's about defining terms.
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12:13 PM on 08/16/2010
If it was defined as one man and woman then why over the past few years have conservatives rushed to have it defined that way in as many states as possible? Why the superfluous effort?
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
12:38 PM on 08/16/2010
We had to put it in writting to stop people from changing the term. Marriage has ALWAYS been a union of a man and a woman. Its only been recently that people have tried to change it.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
12:31 PM on 08/16/2010
Yes they were. In many state,s marriage was defined as people ofthe same race wnating ot get married. Interracial marriage was indeed a crime nad in amny bigots eyes, it was blasphemy to allow blacks and whites to get married.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
02:17 PM on 08/16/2010
Marriage was still between a man and a woman. The sexes of the people were not at issue.
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sofrito
04:35 AM on 08/16/2010
Well, they legalized gay marriage in Canada against the wishes of the conservatives who warned them about all the awful effects it would have on society, and look what happened there.

Nothing.

Nada.

Business as usual.

Except for the conservatives who have been outed as liars, fear mongers and bigots.
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Cori527
Gay democrat agnostic vegetarian!
11:45 AM on 08/16/2010
Tell it like it is!
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
01:11 PM on 08/16/2010
If anything, Canada has flourished, as has every state that has equal marriage in the US
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
01:23 PM on 08/16/2010
I don't think they flourished just because of gay marriage. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
03:33 AM on 08/16/2010
In case you take my suggestion, and go by your local Mormon joint to ask why they provided 70% of the money and 90% of the organization for Prop 8, or even why their effort goes to messing in your life instead of feeding children, listen to this first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXSHRJYxTQ&feature=related
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
10:31 AM on 08/16/2010
The Mormon church itself did not give money to Prop 8. Their members did on their own. What are you going to do now, tell churches and people how to spend their money?
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Cori527
Gay democrat agnostic vegetarian!
11:46 AM on 08/16/2010
Churches are tax-free political organizations, so yes, the time has come to either tax them like everyone else gets taxed OR they keep their noses out of politics and the rights of others outside their church.
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12:23 PM on 08/16/2010
Individual Mormons were solicited for the money by the Mormon church's leadership in order to support Prop 8. The contributions were anything but spontaneous.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
11:58 PM on 08/15/2010
To be fare, I hate all activist. I hate, the food police, the environmentalist wackos, political right and left wing nuts.... or any group who will not respect the beliefs and rights of others. I'm sure may gays would not sue a church or business, but the activitst will. The judge who made this ruling appears to be an activist.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
02:31 AM on 08/16/2010
It seems to me your complaints have easy solutions. Make laws that say no one is required to serve someone for personal reasons and they can't be sued because of it. Most businesses have signs out front that say they can deny service to anyone for any reason. To say that gays should be denied marriage because of a few fringe crazies vant behave themselves is unfair to the rest and inplies that this is some sort of intractable problem. It's not. This is an easily remedied problem in my mind.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
10:33 AM on 08/16/2010
You might try respecting the beliefs of others. You can always go to another business for what you want or start your own business. Don't try and force others into your views.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
03:24 AM on 08/16/2010
TIRESOME -- has posted dozens of times, with various reasons why he is against Gay marriage or supporters
Deserves flags, not replies -- just a hater who sometimes seems half-reasonable
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
07:51 PM on 08/15/2010
If a Christian photographer or wedding planner tells you they cannot be part of a gay marriage ceremony, will you sue, forcing them to choose between their beliefs and making a living? (Despite the fact that you can go to anyone else for the same service).
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08:18 PM on 08/15/2010
Of course, why would anyone pay their hard earned money to someone like that.
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obtusegoose
aka David in the O.C.
08:40 PM on 08/15/2010
I, personally, would find a non-homophobic photographer that wouldn't ruin my special day. But the reality is that a photographer is not a church, so the 1st Amendment doesn't apply. You don't need to express your religious beliefs to take pictures of people; and if you are doing business in the public sphere (where gay people actually do exist), you can't discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. If an interracial couple showed up, would it be okay for the photographer to refuse to serve them because they felt that interracial marriage was morally wrong? What about an overweight couple that the photographer found repugnant?
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Balancement
Timendi causa est nescire. -- Seneca
04:49 PM on 08/15/2010
Boy, I hate to break the news to the conservatives, but if I may I point them to the new Merriam-Webster dictionary? I know they're not very familiar with such things--so allow me to explain: It's a book that *defines* words. Yes, it's a collection of words bound together in pages, much like the Bible. But more accurate.

And just to make it easier for them in their befuddled state, I've separated out the parts they should read with double asterisks "**" (I know what an effort this will be for them).

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

**(2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage **

b : the mutual relation of married **persons** : wedlock

c : the institution whereby **individuals** are joined in a marriage.
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TeraWatt60
Cogito Ergo Sum
08:36 AM on 08/16/2010
parfait!
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
01:48 PM on 08/16/2010
Strawberry or chocolate? lol
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01:49 PM on 08/15/2010
Here's a list of countries that now grant their gay citizens full and unequivocal equality (including the right to marry, of course): The Netherlands, Belgium, South Africa, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Canada and Argentina (with Mexico apparently on the way). In none of these countries, some of which legalized same-sex marriage quite a few years ago, have their governments expressed any regrets and in none has their been any harm to the greater society. Not surprisingly anti-gay prejudice has also declined in these countries as a result and THAT is what social conservatives really fear will happen in this country too. By the way, to those resorting to the old "gay men as transmitters of sexual diseases" argument against gay rights, gay men in these countries are far less likely to be infected with anything, including HIV, than in this country (and even here only a small percentage are). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that gay people are more likely to have mature and responsible sexual relations in societies where their sexuality isn't condemned at every turn. In this regard it's also significant that the intensely homophobic US is alone among countries in having predominantly gay neighborhoods in its larger cities. Another word for such neighborhoods is "gay ghetto".
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
02:20 PM on 08/15/2010
YOU'LL SEE! ANY DAY NOW THOSE COUNTRIES WILL START LEGALIZING INCEST AND POLYGAMY AND CHILD MARRIAGES AND...AND...AND...ALL THAT OTHER STUFF WE SAID WOULD HAPPEN DESPITE NO EVIDENCE OF IT ANYWHERE!
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03:59 PM on 08/15/2010
Maybe you remember. A few years after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts, and the sky had yet to fall, anti-gay propagandists came up with the notion of "moral entropy". By which I think they meant that things were slowly spiraling downward till no one could tell right from wrong, even if it wasn't apparent. I think they gave up on that one when they realized most Americans have no idea what entropy means.
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02:30 PM on 08/15/2010
The American electorate is amazingly unswayed by facts and evidence. They much prefer their mythologies.
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Balancement
Timendi causa est nescire. -- Seneca
05:28 PM on 08/15/2010
Give my love to Achilles, won't you?
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OzoneTom
Living on the border
01:49 PM on 08/15/2010
So Justice Scalia, having already made up his mind, will be recusing himself if the appeal reaches the Supreme Court?
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ascanius001
01:11 PM on 08/15/2010
Statistics from the CDC are not a basis for granting/depriving civil rights.

I hope all those that are citing HIV infection rates among gays as a reason to deny marriage equality are militantly supporting lesbian marriage since their HIV infection rate is so low.

And those high rates of heart disease and diabetes among older Americans who make poor behavioral chocies as far as diet and exercise! No marriage for them! Besides they don't reproduce!

And the higher rates of depression among gays, well, duh, if you grew up in an environment which demonizes, for purely irrational, religious reasons, a major part of your personality, you'd be angry and depressed too.

As for promiscuity, and "having your cake and eating it too", it's been working well in Europe for millennia. According to evolutionary biologists, occasional infidelity is the natural pattern of behavior for our species.

Trying to impose some unrealistic puritanical ideal on gays in order to deprive them of the right to marry is perverse.

Too many are trying to hide their religiously motivated animus against gays behind statistics irrelevant to the civil rights issue. Too many liars for Jesus stalking this board!
01:57 PM on 08/15/2010
I was very curious as to how they got these statistics. (Specifically the average length of gay marriages) After 20 minutes of googling, I have found that they are pulling numbers from a Dutch study done in 2003 about "The contribution of steady and casual partnerships to the incidence of HIV infection among homosexual men in Amsterdam"

If you want to know why using these numbers is pure BS, here's a link:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,003.htm
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ascanius001
02:38 PM on 08/15/2010
I urge everyone to go to the link provided by PuckofLoxley.

It shows to what lengths these anti-gay, "liars for Jesus" militants will go in their quest to impose their theocratic agenda on America. Distortion of statistical data taken out of context is the norm, and a sign of their desperation as they lose this battle.

Lucky for them, their imaginary sky daddy probably doesn't exist. Bearing false witness is a pretty serious deal in that made-up magical universe of theirs.

They are motivated by religiously-based, anti-gay animus which they try to hide behind statistics.

No, we can't use opinions put forth in magical texts that reflect the limited way certain tribes of people understood human sexuality thousands of years ago to make decisions about the civil rights of our LGBT citizens today any more than we can use the limited level of medical understanding of that period to treat most of our modern diseases.
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06:39 AM on 08/16/2010
ascanius, I corrected these same points in reply to another post of yours. In short, receiving state benefits is not a "civil right" (think rich receiving food stamps, tobacco farmers receiving subsidies corn farmers do, "non-blind" receiving state tax breaks the blind do). As to the "right"of mariage, gays and heterosexuals can both get married, claim to be married, whatever. In the state interest of marriage, both groups have the same exact requirements & prohibitions. Neither group can receive state benefits for "marrying" underage, their dog, cousin (most states), multiple partners, or same gender. Where's the discrimination? Marring the person of your affection is NOT a civil right (or none of the above could be prohibited).
Lesbians have other physical and mental health issues. We should celebrate their AIDS rate is relatively low. We should be concerned with their 804% lifetime increase in drug dependence (gee, a reason for denying people their 2nd amendment right, an undisputable, explicit civil rght), and a 359% increase in alcohol dependence (here: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/58/1/85/TABLEYOA9456T3)
Stats from the CDC certainly do give states a reason to limit state benefits (think adult consensual incest. Seriously). CDC stats are used to limit tobacco use, alcohol use, prostitution, drug use, etc...
Heart disease and diabetes aren't communicable. STD's are. As I've explained, the state has a compelling state interest in preventing the spread of STD's (reason for prohibiting prostitution).
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ascanius001
12:32 PM on 08/16/2010
Your dog just won't hunt. You simply try to dress up with a barrage of statistics the same tired hateful arguments for hating on the gays. They're diseased and yucky. They're like man-on-dog sex. They actually CAN get married. And so on.

Thank goodness all of those specious arguments are in the process of being dispelled and exposed to the light of day for the bigotry they conceal. Enjoy it while you can; the days of spewing such distorted arguments are numbered; and you'll have to find a new outlet for your animus.


Because blacks have a higher incidence of STDS and substance abuse and mental illness, they are not deprived, as a group, of marriage; gun ownership is not denied to an individual in a class because that class has higher rates of mental illness.

Your deliberately deceptive use of the Dutch study without noting its limited population revealed your true motive. Odious!

And occasional infidelity is natural and desirable: it's good for the species by increasing the genetic variability. A shock to the puritanical mindset! I hope you succeed in working through that obsession with sex and STDS that you seem to have.
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RobChattaTN
there's no such thing as objectivity
01:10 PM on 08/15/2010
where's the beef?
where's the PROOF that hetero marriages have be 'harmed?'
a simple task, but no one ever seems to actually provide the evidence!
is there none at all?
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
08:06 PM on 08/15/2010
They couldn't produce evidence in court...and if there was any, that would have been the time. Obviously they KNEW that, since they blocked showing the proceedings (didn't want to be shown for the fools they were)
12:22 PM on 08/15/2010
I don't hate gays, I don't fear gays, I just happen to believe strongly thet the traditional marriage of a man to a woman and the traditonal family is best for society. The average length of a gay marriage is 1.5 years, the suicide rate is 6 times greater for gays, substance abuse is much higher, the dropout rate is much higher. Non of this bodes well for society.
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lletaa
end war/healthcare for everyone
12:33 PM on 08/15/2010
Total BS. You are wrong on so many levels.
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arglebargle
12:34 PM on 08/15/2010
Where are you getting this "average length" stat from? Other countries where it's been legal for awhile? As far as the US goes, gay marriage hasn't been legal widely enough or long enough to determine any "averages."

As far as your other stats go, "society" has caused these high substance abuse, suicide rates, etc. through its historical bigotry towards homosexuals.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
12:12 PM on 08/15/2010
Same-sex marriage could be bad for AIDS patients

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc2=news&sc3=&id=76155

Faith Groups Increasingly Lose Gay Rights Fights

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/09/AR2009040904063.html

Heterosexual seniors lost in the furor over domestic partnership

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009814434_r71seniors06m.html
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08:22 PM on 08/15/2010
Boy this issue is personal with you isn't it, hits that nerve, eh?
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EmmaDarian
All in all, I'm loving every rise and fall (RHCP)
08:51 PM on 08/15/2010
What's funny is that the Edge article is a great argument for full marriage equality. It explains exactly why the federal government should recognize same-sex marriages. I don't think john gets that when he posts the link over and over.
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johnb123
All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
09:30 PM on 08/15/2010
I HATE activist, no smoking activist, food activist, right wing or left wing activist.....