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Wray Herbert

Wray Herbert

Posted: November 6, 2010 10:02 AM

The Sick Logic of a Psychopath

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Before his execution in the Florida electric chair in 1989, Ted Bundy confessed to murdering 30 young women, typically by bludgeoning them to death and often raping them as well. He almost certainly had many more victims than that, perhaps more than 100. But he avoided suspicion for much of his five-year killing spree, in part because he was good-looking and clean-cut, a college grad and a law student.

Despite this outward appearance, Bundy was socially clueless. He was introverted and by his own description had no sense of how to get along with people. Near the end of his life he described himself this way: "I didn't know what made things tick. I didn't know what made people want to be friends. I didn't know what made people attractive to one another. I didn't know what underlay social interaction."

Psychopaths can be paradox. Some, like Bundy, are intellectually high functioning, and they clearly know right from wrong. They are not delusional, but they are socially inept. They seem to lack normal self-control, and they persistently violate social, legal and moral rules. They don't -- as Bundy's words suggest -- comprehend the human social contract.

But why? What's the glitch in the mental machinery? Is there a specific neurological and cognitive deficit underlying their abhorrent actions? Are they incapable of weighing risk or comprehending the regular quid pro quos of social life -- or both? Two psychological scientists at the University of New Mexico, Elsa Ermer and Kent Kiehl, suspected that such specific reasoning deficits might underlie the disorder, which would explain why psychopaths' general reasoning ability seems to stay intact.

To explore these questions, Ermer and Kiehl went where they knew they'd find a good sample of psychopaths -- to prison. They interviewed and tested 67 prisoners -- some psychopaths and some not -- for three different kinds of rule comprehension. Some of the rules were simply descriptive, for example: "If a person is from North Dakota, that person likes the cold." Others were based on social contracts, for example: "If you borrow my car, you will have to fill the gas tank." And finally, some of the rules were related to risk and precaution: "If you work with tuberculosis patients, you must wear a surgical mask." They asked all the prisoners -- as well as a control group of college students -- to reason about these rules, to see how well they understood the different forms of reasoning.

The results were unambiguous. As reported recently in the journal Psychological Science, the prisoners who were not psychopaths reasoned pretty much like college students -- that is, not great at general logic but much better at understanding social contracts and precautionary reasoning. The psychopaths also did about the same on straight logic, but they were poor at understanding social agreements and proper precautions.

Understanding quid pro quos is a core human trait, the foundation of all cooperation and morality. It's not surprising that it would be askew in people who don't know right from wrong, honorable behavior from cheating. It's also not shocking that psychopaths are lousy at weighing risk and taking precautions -- another core human trait. That's why most of them get in trouble -- and end up in prison.

 
 
 
Before his execution in the Florida electric chair in 1989, Ted Bundy confessed to murdering 30 young women, typically by bludgeoning them to death and often raping them as well. He almost certainly h...
Before his execution in the Florida electric chair in 1989, Ted Bundy confessed to murdering 30 young women, typically by bludgeoning them to death and often raping them as well. He almost certainly h...
 
 
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01:44 PM on 11/11/2010
I had been reading a few studies that showed critical differences in mirror neurons among sociopaths? Like they don't have as many as the rest of us? Can anyone comment?

PS I'd like to echo the distrust of the author's use of the idea that "the majority" of "psychopaths" are in prison; this seems like one of those baseless stats that folks love to throw at criminal populations with no regard for actual information...
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10:44 AM on 11/11/2010
Ample evidence exists to suggest a physical reason for the behavior of a psychopath. A few years ago, an Abnormal Psych assignment led me to a study conducted in Cuba which involved conducting EEG's on a group of violent repeat offenders and comparing those EEG's to those of a control group of non-violent offenders with no previous history of offenses. A large percentage of the violent, career criminals had specific abnormalities as compared to the control group. I REALLY wish I could find a link to the study. It was remarkably informative and well-written.

People are not born evil, but there is plenty of scientific evidence pointing to children born with certain defects which lead to aberrant behavior.
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07:16 AM on 11/10/2010
Kids with Asperger's often have trouble understanding the social contracts, but that doesn't make them psychopaths. How society treats these children helps determine who they will become. They have classes to learn social skills. Having a child who doesn't pick up on social clues is bewildering to "normal" parents. Some handle it better than others.

We create psychopaths.
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10:50 AM on 11/11/2010
It's certainly possible for children to be "made" into killers, but that's too simplistic an answer. Some children from perfectly normal homes set fires, torture animals, and torment others. There is a great deal of evidence indicating mental defects can cause this behavior. Just consider brain tumors. People with undiagnosed tumors have displayed personality changes and violent behavior for years before discovering the cause. Many post-op patients eventually return to their normal "selves" once the tumor is removed. Body chemistry plays a huge role as well. Schizophrenia and many other mental illnesses are caused by over- or under-active production of different chemicals in the body.
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Just breathe...
11:08 AM on 11/09/2010
"The psychopaths...but they were poor at understanding social agreements and proper precautions." Psychopaths have no problem "understanding" social agreements. They just don't respect them. Consequently, they are remarkably insensitive to issues of fairness.
02:11 AM on 11/09/2010
I think the answer is a lot simpler: psychopaths lack emotional brains. I think most psychopaths just don't care about consequences, or don't conceive of them as being harmful to them in their reality. They don't feel social emotions, so they have zero perspective on the things that keep us tied to the normal social world (e.g. who would I harm by doing these actions? who would I miss if I were in prison? who would miss me if I were in prison or executed?), so nothing matters to them as long as they get their "fix". They can not weigh options that they don't feel or understand.
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09:51 AM on 11/08/2010
Most of them end up in prison? Really?
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plaidsportcoat
10:46 PM on 11/07/2010
Oh, so THAT's what Sarah Palin has....
08:35 PM on 11/07/2010
That appears remarkably accurate in describing the political, religious and academic leaders who advocate wars, racism, rampant free-market Capitalism, and have no compunction about fighting to deny working level, lower middle class elements logically beneficent programs.
Their aptitude at straight logic is adequate (to succeed professionally), but like psychopaths, do poorly when involving social matters. They so easily bomb and destroy innocent lives for material money.
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JuniperSunshine
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09:08 PM on 11/07/2010
(((rolls eyes)))

So your contention is that a person must be *mentally ill* if they don't agree with your political views? Wow, what an ego.
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09:06 AM on 11/08/2010
Not exactly. They mention the social construct, quid pro quo. There is a very selfish need on the right to fund only CEOs and not help rebuild the middle class. That is a fundamental gap in understanding quid pro quo.
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Ronni01
"Edit your micro-bio"--I think not!
04:39 PM on 11/08/2010
Acutually, (the source escapes me), but there is a quote that says "the best politicians are psychopaths." I competely agree with you.
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right Alice
08:14 PM on 11/07/2010
Why isn't this cross-indexed under the Politics tab? : D
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
05:10 PM on 11/07/2010
And like Bundy, many are overly confident in their abilities and a belief that they're smarter than the people around them. Fortunately, these are what leads to their downfall.
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dartagnan
01:02 PM on 11/07/2010
Psychopathy is an outdated term; the modern name for it is antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy). The sociopath is often intelligent and charming and can be quite successful in life, but he (it's almost always a he) has no ability to feel empathy for others and an absolute sense of entitlement; whatever he wants to do is right. He generally is not a killer but he often is involved in lesser crimes and is a compulsive and habitual liar.

I'm firmly convinced that President George W.. Bush was, and is, a sociopath.
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02:30 PM on 11/07/2010
This is incorrect.

Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) is a DSM-IV-TR diagnosis (being reformulated to Antisocial/Psychopathic Type in DSM-V). It is an amalgamation of features associated with both psychopathy and sociopathy (which are not the same thing). The majority of personality researchers (in general) and psychopathy researchers (specifically) do not agree with the DSM's current conceptualization. If one is diagnosed with APD, it does not also necessarily mean they are a psychopath, as for the DSM diagnosis one only needs to show 4 features, some of which may be relatively benign.

Further, these does seem to be a distinction both at the developmental, behavioral, and neuroanatomical level between those we typically refer to as psychopaths and those we refer to as sociopaths. Psychopaths are individuals found in all segments of society. They lack social emotions (guilt, shame, remorse), and are unable to understand many vocal and facial emotive cues in others (e.g., fear, disgust, sadness). Further, they show frontal lobe differences in relation to "normal" folk. Sociopaths tend to be found in segments of society where it pays to be a cheater, where essentially it is the best strategy to get ahead. They do feel the social emotions, yet choose to ignore them when necessary. Further, their frontal lobes look the same as "normal" folk. Essentially we have the difference between psychopaths who are the way they are because of a biological imperative, and sociopaths who are the way they are because of environmental context.
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dartagnan
06:38 PM on 11/07/2010
Thanks for clearing that up.
08:30 PM on 11/07/2010
I always thought that. Chenney too. I think they watched the torture of prisoners on closed circuit TV.
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WeCanDoMore
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12:35 PM on 11/07/2010
A natural born leader, one who is both smart and charismatic, but who lacks all compassion, is one dangerous combo.

Can you name any?
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redsquirell
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09:06 PM on 11/10/2010
Obama, Bush (X2). Clinton, every politician in mqjor office? Did I win anything?
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11:20 PM on 11/10/2010
Disagree, but we all have opinions.
11:47 AM on 11/07/2010
Is it really true, as the author says, that "most" psychopaths (i.e. > 50%) wind up in prison? I don't know one way or the other whether that's true, but the author shouldn't make that statement unless at least 50% of psychopaths spend time in prison at some point during their lives.

I believe a study of imprisoned psychopaths showed that when they played games that involved getting rewards or penalties based on their behavior, they played as if there were no penalties. They seemed to respond to rewards but to fail to respond to threats of punishment.
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dartagnan
01:03 PM on 11/07/2010
"Is it really true, as the author says, that "most" psychopaths (i.e. > 50%) wind up in prison?"

Only the poor ones. The rich ones go to Ivy League colleges and become senators, presidents and CEOs.
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08:23 PM on 11/09/2010
And Wall Street investment bankers.
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02:52 PM on 11/07/2010
It really depends on his definitions. As he is using the term "psychopathy" he is being all-inclusive of Antisocial Personality Disorder and Sociopathy. In that case, then yes. However, if he is really discussing psychopathy as psychopathy researchers and personality researchers define it, then no, it would be closer to 25% (DSM-IV-TR).

As Dartagnan points out below, most incarcerated psychopaths are not very high in intelligence (contrary to how Hollywood tends to depict psychopaths). Most intelligent ones make their way into positions that allow them to engage in their behaviors and not get caught (e.g. lawyers, politicians, corporate fat-cats, academics).

For a drawn-out discussion of what I posted here and above look at some of the work done by Robert Hare and Scott Lillienfeld.
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Aranxa
Have fun storming the castle!
09:59 AM on 11/08/2010
Thanks for including academics in that list. They are way more f'ed up than lawyrs and don't get half the credit for it.
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Aranxa
Have fun storming the castle!
09:59 AM on 11/08/2010
add that "e" back into lawyers, thanks.
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zakwouldhave
Freethinker. I'm 80% ears. 20% mouth.
11:45 AM on 11/07/2010
Thankfully technology will not allow another Ted Bundy to happen on such a scale. Communication between police departments/states and DNA/Fingerprinting is light years ahead of when Bundy was loose. Sadly, our system still allows sexual offenders on the streets after serving light or shortened sentences and they often repeat.....this makes the psychopath happy and is an outrage. Stiffer sentences and monitoring post-release for those who kidnap or restrain people in any manner would save children's lives...I hope we are all for that!
01:23 PM on 11/11/2010
Not all sex offenders are sociopaths & in fact sex offenders as a group have generally low rates of recidivism. Certainly some do re-offend but a 2002 study by the Justice Dept found that sex offender recidivism at 5.8% for another sex offense. Recidivism overall (including non-sex based offenses) was 43% meaning sex offenders commit other crimes not sex offenses (umn maybe because they can't get work or re-integrate into society because they are branded for life as psychopaths & people don't bother to differentiate between people who commit say stranger rape & those who commit statutory rape with a consensual partner).
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MarciL
06:44 PM on 11/15/2010
Can you provide a link to that study?
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MarciL
08:02 PM on 11/15/2010
"...people who commit say stranger rape & those who commit statutory rape with a consensual partner"

They're both crimes, they're both rapes. Minors can NOT consent.

"Instruments to predict general recidivism are not necessarily applicable to determining sex offender recidivism.

Being sexually abused as a child was not found to be related to becoming a repeat sex offender.

The underreporting of sexual assault contributes to the underreporting of recidivism which leads to sex offenders having a low base rate (defined as the overall rate of recidivism of an entire group of offenders). This low base rate problem decreases our ability to accurately predict recidivism.

Studies show different base rates for different types of sex offenses. For example, child molesters have a higher rate of rearrest than rapists (52% versus 39 percent when tracked over 25 years).

One review of recidivism rates found: "Incest offenders ranged between 4 and 10 percent. Rapists ranged between 7 and 35 percent. Child molesters with female victims ranged between 10 and 29 percent. Child molesters with male victims ranged between 13 and 40 percent. Exhibitionists ranged between 41 and 71 percent."

Several studies and interviews of sex offenders support the claim that sex offender recidivism is highly underreported, with imprisoned perpetrators having many times more victims than the official criminal reports record."

http://www.sexoffender.com/sorecidivism_review.html
06:54 AM on 11/07/2010
First off the main errors asking a psychopath what they feel, the psychopath knows little difference between the lie and the truth and will only ever provide answers they feel provides them with advantage.
A prime example is the lie provided by Bundy that he was socially inept and had no idea how to get along with people, ask any successful hunter about knowing and understanding their prey, the scope of Bundy's hunting success put's paid to the lie that he did not understand his prey, how to hide in plain site amongst it, and how to create ease whilst stalking it.
For the psychopath a genetic absence of empathy and conscience are the chief drivers, their behaviour is governed by frustration and easing of that frustration, chief frustration is seeing the display of human emotions around them and whilst fully understanding it, never being able to share in it.
They ease their frustration by forcing the most negative of emotions on those around them to pay for those frustrations, their success at this appeases and feeds their ego, the more pain they inflict upon a greater proportion of those who frustrate them the better they felt and, this extends to the whole of the human race.
Risk taking amongst psychopath is based upon the intelligence and education, those that succeed do so whilst escaping the law and still being able to punish humanity upon extreme scales, creating circumstance where thousands die to feed the ego of the psychopath.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:31 AM on 11/07/2010
[My comments in brackets]
For the psychopath a genetic absence of empathy and conscience are the chief drivers[ absence of something a driver? Maybe in the case of a vacuum...], their behavio[_]r is governed by frustration and easing of that frustration, chief frustration is seeing the display of human emotions around them and whilst fully understanding it, never being able to share in it. They ease their frustration by forcing the most negative of emotions on those around them to pay for those frustrations, their success at this appeases and feeds their ego, the more pain they inflict upon a greater proportion of those who frustrate them the better they felt and, this extends to the whole of the human race.[Sounds like you are projecting here.]
Risk taking amongst psychopath is based upon the intelligence and education [proof?], those that succeed do so whilst escaping the law and still being able to punish humanity upon extreme scales, creating circumstance where thousands die to feed the ego of the psychopath. [Interesting point. You ought to articulate it better though.]
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:33 AM on 11/07/2010
[My comments in brackets].
First off the main error[ i]s asking a psychopath what they feel, the psychopath knows little difference between the lie and the truth and will only ever provide answers they feel provides them with advantage. [and you are defining advantage how?]

A prime example is the lie provided by Bundy that he was socially inept and had no idea how to get along with people, ask any successful hunter about knowing and understanding their prey, the scope of Bundy's hunting success put's paid to the lie that he did not understand his prey, how to hide in plain site amongst it, and how to create ease whilst stalking it. [Alternative explanation that challenges yours... some people, through no fault of their own, are great hunters. Quite, intuitive, observant, but all on a subconcious level. Some men attract women despite or because of their ineptness. It is not necessary for a man to have great intelligence or insight to attract women, although some do and they use it. You haven’t defined how to separate the two.]