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She's Not a Time-Bomb: Are Men Teaching Kids to Respect Women?

Posted: 06/29/11 07:37 PM ET

This past weekend, as I was leaving the shopping mall near my apartment, I overheard a man tell his son and daughter that they needed to rush home for dinner because, "We don't want mommy to get really upset."

For the record, the guy seemed like a kind and gentle father. And I've heard men make comments like his plenty of times. In the past, I always thought, "Well at least they are respectful enough to know what their wife or girlfriend needs. At least they are making an attempt."

But as I watched him and his children run off, it occurred to me that a very small, seemingly innocuous sentence could really place an incredible amount of weight on kids.

I don't know this man and I don't know what he truly intended with his comment, but what he said to his children reminded me of a wider cultural habit: we tend to take action to placate a woman's potential unhappiness rather than taking action to show her respect and love.

When we say something like, "Mommy will get really upset," we are in danger of teaching our kids to do something respectful, like being on-time, as a way to avoid a reaction.

Think about it. How many times have you said to someone, "I have to go, she's gonna rip my head off if I'm not on time for dinner."

Can you imagine if your daughter would say that about her boyfriend or husband?

"If I'm not on time, John is going to rip my head off."

You would assume she is being emotionally or physically abused.

So why are we setting such an example for our sons?

Instead of doing things to honor the women in our lives, we are conditioning our kids to have basic, respectful behavior to avoid potential anger.

But this claim isn't simply about our kids being on time to dinner. This is about asking ourselves a serious question: what is our motivation for our actions?

When you buy an anniversary present for your wife or girlfriend, do you do it because you love her and want to honor the day she came into your life? Or do you do it so she won't "flip out?"

Do you show up to an important event for your wife or girlfriend because you're proud of her and want to stand by her side? Or, are you showing up because you told your friends "there's no way I'm getting out of this one, she'll be so pissed if I'm not there."

I'm not saying you don't love the woman in your life. I'm just asking you to assess your motivation for the things you do for them.

At the end of the day, priority lies in what your kids learn from you, how they perceive your motivations.

You'll be making a big mistake if you think that this issue is too nuanced for them to understand. You might luck out, but chances are, your kids will adopt your behavior and your reasoning.

Is it worth the risk?

I have no doubt that most men are not intentionally taking actions to placate, instead of respecting, their women. And I also know that most men wouldn't want their kids to think and act this way.

But if you're reading this story and think I am overreacting and parsing words, I want you to do one thing: take a look at your children.

Do you want your son to think that all women do is nag, complain, and flip out? Do you want them to think that normal, courteous behavior like being punctual or showing respect are only tools for appeasing a hysterical woman?

What about your daughter? Do you want her to believe she can gain respect and admiration from others because of who she is and what she does? Or do you want her to think the only way for her to ever get noticed is through anger and/or hysteria?

If you answered "no," then you just need to remember one thing.

Next time you are rushing to get home with your kids and they ask why, all you have to say is, "Because we love mommy."

 

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This past weekend, as I was leaving the shopping mall near my apartment, I overheard a man tell his son and daughter that they needed to rush home for dinner because, "We don't want mommy to get reall...
This past weekend, as I was leaving the shopping mall near my apartment, I overheard a man tell his son and daughter that they needed to rush home for dinner because, "We don't want mommy to get reall...
 
 
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brooklyncitizen
Quaerite primum regnum dei
06:20 PM on 07/02/2011
I am not married but have many friends that are- both male and female. What is really unattractive are the subtle putdowns men seem to direct to their significant others and this kind of stuff falls in the same category. It is subtly sexist.
11:53 AM on 07/04/2011
I know.
Women never do that to their husbands or boyfriends.
02:38 AM on 07/01/2011
Not to be a buzz kill on the analysis of this guys statements but allow me to play the Devil's advocate, if you would be so kind. Couldn't it be conceivable that this guy said he wanted to avoid "making Mommy angry" because he wants his kids to avoid upsetting her out of respect and love? That maybe, just maybe, this whole comment is based on the love of his wife and his wish not to upset her because of that love? You established that this guy seemed nice and even gentle in your article, so it doesn't seem to far out there, in my mind, that this could be the case.

I find some of the comments interesting but disheartening in some cases. Does everything have to have some deeply negative, hateful, Freudian connotation for those of you interpreting this in a purely negative light? Do you go through life this suspicious of every innocuous comment?

I understand the articles point, that words matter, but c'mon people.
07:46 PM on 07/08/2011
I think the author assumes that love is ultimately behind his intentions, but points out that he is not expressing love, but fear of negative consequences.
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12:34 AM on 07/01/2011
Mommy is not going to be mad at "us". Mommy is going to be pissed at DADDY.
03:39 PM on 07/04/2011
Exactly. Children perceive things for themselves.

My (divorcing) wife has anger management issues.

My daughters experienced that for themselves and as they got older they would caution/coach me and sometimes each other -- "mommy is going to be mad".

Children figure out what is going on regardless of how you try to "spin" it.

Of course you want to be polite and model love and kindness for your children. But your children will notice if you are inauthentic/phony or don't seem to be grasping reality.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
11:22 PM on 06/30/2011
What an excellent article, thank you. How strange it is that we speak of people we professedly love and respect as if they're the enemy ... I hadn't really thought about this before, but it applies to the occasional coment like this I make about my own aged mother. Food for thought indeed. And isn't it ridiculous (and all too common) that we paint ourselves as the helpless downtrodden in a relationship, when we're not? Nothing like evading responsiblity, I guess.
12:52 AM on 07/01/2011
It's amazing that people who suppose to love you (your wife) get pissed at you for such minor things. Then you try and stand up for yourself and it get's even worse. It seems the only position you are tolerated in by your supposed loved one is the subordinate.
02:26 AM on 07/01/2011
edtastic: it's called caring about someone else more than yourself sometimes. It's called manners most of the time
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jf12
Occupying myself
10:44 AM on 07/01/2011
Although the concept is treat people the way you want to be treated, that only works if they aren't insane or possessed. Then they need kid gloves or straight jackets.
11:21 PM on 06/30/2011
So when teaching punctuality to kids (or anyone), the author seems to be saying that being punctual is only important when it involves someone you love. "Daddy, why do we have to hurry?" "Well, kids, because we love Mommy. If we didn't love Mommy, we wouldn't have to worry about being on time."
I would argue, as the disorganized and chronically late woman/mother/wife that I am, that all you have to say is "Because we promised we'd be there by a certain time, and it's rude/inconsiderate/irresponsible/bad manners not to do what we said we would do." It IS disrespectful to paint the responsible, on-time parent as the bad guy...I know, because I am guilty of this, also: "Your dad is gonna be mad that we're late again." What does Daddy, in my example, or Mommy, in the author's example, have to do with not being late? What does gender have to do with teaching basic social values such as punctuality, consideration, responsibility, time management, accountability? Kids (people of all ages, in fact) should be taught that if we're running late, then we must hurry (within reason, of course...don't drive recklessly, for example) . Why? Simply because it is rude to be late. It's rude whether the person you're late for is someone you love or someone you barely know. And rudeness will not be tolerated. End of lesson.
11:59 AM on 07/01/2011
Exactly. That dad and his kids could have been my dad and me. Everything we did was tailored to keep my mom from blowing a fuse--right or wrong was minor issue. The lesson the children should have been learning was common courtesy. When I met my husband, one of the things that impressed me the most about him was that he always kept his promises to everyone and did what he said he would do out of simple respect for others. When he's late on occasion I never get angry because I know that if he could be here, he would.
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Miataboy
It's time to hear from the moderates!
10:08 PM on 06/30/2011
I think his behavior was more cowardly than that. By saying what he said, he tried to get the desired behavior by painting Mom as the "bad cop". If it was time to leave, he needed to assert his own authority as a parent. "Because I said so" may not be popular with kids, but it helps define your parental role.
10:39 PM on 06/30/2011
Actually, I find that "because I said so" is more detrimental to one's "parental role" than it is beneficial. It gives the impression that a parent has no justifiable reason for a decision, thereby causing a certain amount of his or her authority to disintegrate with time. Neither response, neither "Mom's gonna pitch a fit," nor, "Because I said so," were good responses. If he had wanted to be respectful toward his loved one and familial coworker while also creating a more sound basis for his own authority in his children, he could have simply said, "Let's go, kids, I lost track of the time!" or, "Traffic looks bad today, looks like we'd better get a head start."
09:47 PM on 06/30/2011
I am a woman. I am very outspoken, but I never nag and rarely complain. When I have a problem, I state it calmly and make a suggestion as to what could be done better next time, and then usually give him a kiss and move on. In doing so, I eliminate any perceived need he might harbor to placate me.

This issue is a two-sided coin, to use the common phrase, though really I think it is a no-sided and infinitely-surfaced sphere. Men absolutely presume women to be naggers and whiners, and therefore treat them as such. As a result, women often do act that way...but is it because of any sort of innate programming, or because of social conditioning? If that man had a son and a daughter with him when he said that, the son would certainly walk away more likely to expect hysterical behavior from a woman. The daughter, however, would come away from it EXPECTING to be pacified like upset babies.
10:26 PM on 06/30/2011
When they expect to be placated, they will engage in behavior that requires that response, and it becomes a viscious circle.

I personally grew up with parents who were equally agressive or concessible as a situation demanded, and so I was lucky enough to escape the cycle. I will admit to occasionally being guilty of the type of behavior most often associated with women's irrationality, but only in situations in which the other person recognizes my ability to think rationally, and who realizes that I am actually just joking.
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jf12
Occupying myself
10:45 AM on 07/01/2011
And he doesn't really mean "yes dear" either. Neither yes, nor dear.
06:36 PM on 07/01/2011
This nagging, shrill post sounds like whining.
07:15 PM on 07/01/2011
A clever deflection of any statements made in it. Kudos. :)
09:30 PM on 06/30/2011
Thank you Ali! This reminds me, as a woman and mom, to be more considerate of my family and to not be upset should they be a little late getting home but rather to find out what the reason for their tardiness might be first.
05:46 PM on 06/30/2011
I don't think your observation is limited to the behavior of humans with testicles towards humans with ovaries. In fact, I would suggest that this speaks more to a cultural dynamic between people regardless of gender.

You can find examples of this in the workplace, between a boss and his/her subordinates. You can find it between a driver and a highway patrol officer with a radar gun. You can find it with children and their teachers/school administrators.

I think culturally our children are trained in this way on multiple fronts. It's built into our legal system, it's built into our educational system, and clearly it happens at home. Does it result in the disrespect of women? Certainly. Does it do so disproportionately relative to men or any other meaningful group (to a statistically significant degree)? Probably not.
04:38 PM on 06/30/2011
Why is this article only addressing men? I cook half of our family meals. Being late to dinner is disruptive to the whole routine and I would be upset if my family were "late" and didn't let me know. If I were the father in the example above, I'd simply tell my kids, "Time to go, we're going to be late for dinner." And if I were truly going to be late, I'd call my wife and let her know! If I were meeting my wife, or anyone for that matter, somewhere and the children ask why, I'd tell them "Because so-and-so is meeting us." Telling them "Because we love Mommy" is setting up even odder conceptions such as "If we're late we don't love mommy." Talk about a head trip!
04:24 PM on 06/30/2011
I honestly don't think this is a sexism issue... It's about placing the blame on someone else to take the heat off yourself. If your late, blame the mom or the wife (dad or husband) by saying she'll get mad if you're not on time. If you indulge in buying something for yourself, "Don't tell Mom I got this or I'll never hear the end of it..." is a classic issue! It's about showing respect to all people and not reversing the situation to make it look like it's the other person's short-comings.
08:08 PM on 06/30/2011
Exactly. Setting mom up as the 'bad guy" means dad isn't fully involved with the responsibilities of marriage and/or parenting. Somebody has to be the adult; it wasn't dad in this example. Immaturity, yes. Sexism, no.
08:12 AM on 07/01/2011
Baloney. Maybe mom has rage issues and the whole family is walking on eggshells the whole time.

I woman can slaughter her whole family and therapists and feminists will hunt high and dry for anyone else to blame for her actions except her.
03:08 PM on 06/30/2011
What do you think we are doing when we say things like: "Just wait until your father gets home." If we are teaching our kids to placate women for fear of an hysterical reaction, what are we teaching our kids about men? That men are prone to spouts of intense anger and violence which means that we should placate men in order to not bring out the Hulk lurking inside of them.
03:00 PM on 07/04/2011
I get what your saying but I don't think it is the same thing in the instance of being late so mommy won't kill us deal, the dad is maybe going to do something wrong and is making the kids think they will all be in trouble with raging hormonal mommy. thus teaching them they must placate and do what mommy wants just to avoid hassel and violence. On the other hand wait until your father comes home, usually follows a child actually doing something they are not supposed to do. And it was generally understood to mean one of a few things in my childhood, a. mom is a pushover, b. whatever I did was bad, really bad, and it was serious, or c. mom is at the end of her rope. So while it does run risks, such as showing that mom is not capable of discipline they only way it would show a child in my opinion that men are Hulks prone to violence is if dad comes home and beats the kid black and blue, not if dad comes home, spanks a kid and then grounds them for the rest of their natural born life.
02:34 PM on 06/30/2011
i love how a story that should be used to show the reverse sexism we live in today, how men are now seen as having to be subservient to their wives is turned around and used in the traditional, we're being so unfair to women way, my god, even when we're sexist towards men, or oppress men we look at it and go, is this fair to women? Guys, women have achieved equality, and that's a good thing, but chopping off our balls wasn't part of the deal! It's time to wake up.
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jf12
Occupying myself
03:21 PM on 06/30/2011
"Yes dear" louder next time, with feeling.
09:35 PM on 06/30/2011
Women have achieved equality...hmm. Why is it that women earn about 75 cents for every dollar a man (of equal education and in the same profession) earns in the workplace, then, I wonder? Especially when one considers that women are on the verge of outnumbering men in the workforce. And why is it that, when a bill was proposed to ensure "equal pay for equal work" (a popular slogan during the early 20th-century women's suffrage movement), it was actually voted down, indicating that the men in power actively oppose equality for women?

There have been reports of male bosses hiring married women specifically because they think they'll have to pay them less - the husband is supposed to bring home the bacon, after all.

And why is it that, while about one in every four women will be raped in her lifetime, while only one in sixteen rapists will ever spend a day in jail, even if a victim can identify the perpetrator by name?

I could go on and on, but I'm tired and these are the first issues that come to mind.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
11:25 PM on 06/30/2011
Fan #2 ...
11:04 AM on 07/01/2011
Don't you think that "going on and on" before you examine your assumptions tends to prove his point?
02:34 PM on 06/30/2011
Empowered women rip heads off all the time. When men do it, it's abuse.
When women do it, they are just responding to patriarchal oppression with Goddess rage against the phallocracy.
02:21 PM on 06/30/2011
This is a great post. I used to do this to ensure that the kids always knew that we did things because it was the right thing to do, not to gain award or avoid the opposite, but I admit, I occasionally say that 'mom is gonna be mad' or similar.

Thanks for the reminder that I should be more careful.
02:44 PM on 06/30/2011
Never say bad things about your wife, no matter how much she abuses you or the children.
10:13 PM on 06/30/2011
Oh, there's no abuse, lol! I say it lightly, but the point is not to do it at all.