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Florida principal Page Tracy on 'Waiting for Superman'

Posted: 02/ 1/11 12:42 PM ET

Teachers who have seen "Waiting for Superman" - the documentary about the U.S. public education system - have many things to say about the film, which touches on such issues as charter schools, teacher's unions, tenure, all while following the educational lives of several different students around the country.

In a couple of previous posts, I spoke to Minnesota Principal Carol Markham-Cousins and Los Angeles Principal Donald S. Wilson to get their thoughts on the film. Now, Principal Paige Tracy of Arbor Ridge K-8 School in Orlando, Florida voices her opinions.

Q: What did you think of the film?

Tracy: I liked the film very much. I felt that it was done fairly and I did not think its intent was to negatively bash public schools across the country. It was more bringing about awareness of things public schools are lacking that would set students up for greater success. In order to have these critical elements in place, it's a matter of more funding from the federal government and more flexibility within school districts without being bound by teachers unions.

Q: Ah, the union. It was completely vilified in the film. Do you agree with its portrayal?

Tracy: Pretty much yes. We as school leaders are so bound by what we can or cannot do, when it comes to poor teaching performance in the classroom. I understood the lemon dance the film presented. That was an accurate portrayal.

Q: What about charter schools. They were portrayed as the answer to many problems in the public education system. Was that an accurate portrayal?

Tracy: The way I saw it was not so much that the film saw charter schools as the answer, but that it portrayed charter schools as having those things in place that public school don't have. Charters schools aren't bound by teacher contacts and teacher unions and different levels of funding.

Q: Was there anything you felt the film should have touched on, but didn't?

Tracy: I would have to say, maybe showing the things that public schools are doing well at and are doing right - even without all of the extras we aren't privileged to have like the charter schools have. There are so many success stories and so many other success rates going on. Maybe just pointing out some more positive things about public schools. Even though we are limited with out funding, with our flexibility, with our tight contracts, with our teacher unions, even though our hands are tied with so may things - we're able to overcome and do so many things well and do so many things right.

Q: Why has the quality of U.S. education fallen so badly in the last 40 years?

Tracy: One serious problem is the lack of follow up and support form the home environment. We get the students for six and half , seven hours a day, but there is so much that needs to go on beyond the school day. Often there is nothing going on (at home in terms of follow-up by the parents) between the end of one school day and the beginning of another. We lose them until they come back again the next morning to start all over again.

Q: So what does a principal do?

Tracy: I would want to address it with the parents. It takes getting them to believe and value education, to realize what needs to take place at home beyond the school day. It has to start with the parents being educated first. If there are less and less parents becoming educated themselves, when their own children come to school, they don't have a value for education.

Q: What is the key to an effective teacher?

Tracy: The teacher has to truly care about student learning. A teacher has to be passionate about whether or not every single student in his or her classroom is learning. First comes the caring, then comes the belief that every single student can learn, and then having a high expectation for every single learner.

Q: What are you thoughts on tenure?

Tracy: I don't believe in tenure. Quite honestly there are teachers - and I've had them in my experience - who should not be in the classroom teaching, but it would take an act of Congress to get removed form the classroom.

Q: What do you do in that case?

Tracy: You saturate that teacher with all kinds of training and workshops and staff developments. I send every available support person that I have in the school and send them in to the classroom where it's needed. It might be with classroom management, it might be with reading, it might be more about the teacher needing more time to teach and not spend time managing behaviors. I provide a great deal of support.

Q: Does it work?

Tracy: I've seen all of it work, I've seen some of it work and I've seen it none of it work.

Q: If you could meet anyone from the film, who would it be?

Tracy: I would want to meet Anthony, the 5th grader from Washington D.C.. I would want to know how things are going for him at the SEED charter school. Out of all of the students at we followed, for some reason, his was the one that just stuck with me, more than anybody else. I wanted him to achieve his goals and really get what he was going after. In one statement to the narrator when he was interviewed, he said: 'I just want to go to school.' That just clutched at my heart and it never left me. He said it from the heart and with such passion. I was really pulling for him.

 

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snesich
04:25 PM on 02/11/2011
In Scarsdale, NY, the teachers are unionized and their students perform well.

In the South Bronx, NY, the teachers are unionized and their students perform poorly.

In Ridgewood, NJ, the teachers are unionized and their students perform well.

In Newark, NJ, the teachers are unionized and their students perform poorly.

In Newton, MA, the teachers are unionized and their students perform well.

In South Boston, MA, the teachers are unionized and their students perform poorly.

See a pattern here? You can't separate the student from everything else in their life. The teachers and their union are NOT to blame, or credit, 100%, for the performance of their students, in affluent or indigent districts.

If you took all of the unionized teachers in the Beverly Hills school system, and had them trade places with all of the unionized teachers in the Compton school system, I think the gap between student performance in both of those school systems would be virtually the same.

But if the main problem with American public schools is "unionized teachers" then why hasn't unionization ruined ALL schools with a unionized faculty?

Do you think that vilifying the teacher's union might be more about serving a conservative ideological agenda then it is a genuine desire to improve education?
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
10:29 PM on 02/03/2011
The national graduation rate is around 75% -- in many of the large urban areas, the graduation rates are around 50%.

That is failure.

Getting a kid to graduation day -- with the bare minimum passing grades -- is a fair, standardized test of the system. I'm sure all teachers can agree on that.

Forget about high quality teaching and creative use of research-based strategies -- the present teacher workforce has failed to even deliver the basics and keep kids engaged.

This is failure, and the consequences will be disastrous. This is an emergency and we need big changes in our schools now.
06:23 AM on 02/04/2011
Do you teach if you do then you failed them too. I know I did not:
06:28 AM on 02/04/2011
This is a good example how we receive kids today, in our schools, bad character traits, attributed to their upbringing not the schools. Students today that are not learning, have no success behaviors in place, and they do not think twice about doing something as shameful, as texting during class time. The teacher fixed the problem, but not the students, who are waiting to get home and just chill, socialize, run the streets, or get a media fix, by watching t.v. playing video games or socializin­g via the internet. Our graduation rate is reflective of society as whole many adults without basic high school diploma, or believe in reading at night. Life long learners come from homes that have life long learners and believe in education as the ticket to a successful life. If a person wanted to, he or she could learn anything they want by themselves­, in this day and age with all the informatio­n accessible by all. Many feel entitled to all the rewards of life without hard work or earning the rewards, just like in our society, welfare, food stamps, free health care, and other entitlemen­t programs have created a society that depends on others to feed themselves­, and do not bother with working, wanting a better life, or doing the right thing. Much less educating themselves to be a better citizen,be­ing able to vote and know what they are voting for. Schools cannot fix this, the quick fix programs of NCLB, will bottom out.
01:48 PM on 02/03/2011
Seen this over and over. Hotshot principals wanting to come in and fire the old folks at the school.
Think they have know everything and they are so wonderful. Seen reform after reform. What happens?
Reform flop after reform flop. Guess what? The principals with all their fine ambitions are dumped.
So before becoming so self righteous and self important, I suggest you open your eyes. There is always someone to replace you, especially in this new business run competitive school environment.
12:49 PM on 02/03/2011
Teacher salaries keeping up with inflation, maybe, but most only make between 35,000 and 70,000 a year, That is after getting a four year degree, and a fifth year of teaching program, and one year student teaching. A big investment of time and money by the future educator. Other careers with that much education requirements are paid much more, Americans want cheap labor, by professionals. Teaching is a career with the investments made by the individual, which can be removed by inept administrators or a complaining parent. Tenure protects this investment to a point, procedures are in place to remove teachers, if needed. One in a regular job, does not work under the public microscope or under fire to improve students learning of students that do not want to be there. I managed to get fired, despite 16 years of excellent evaluations, strong praise from parents, staff and former students, that state I changed their lives. I had high expectations,good class management, and all increased in their learning, proven not by testing but by their attending and graduating from universities, colleges, or have successful jobs. In today's world anyone can learn anything they want alone, or with mentoring if they WANT TO. without the GANAS, or the will power to want it. Presently, many do not want to, or have desire to educate themselves which is a small model of today's society, here in America. Low performing schools are low for many reasons not just bad teachers or schools/
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sawyer0413
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11:28 PM on 02/02/2011
OK, now I am concerned. I asked Scott D. Howat, the Senior Director Labor & Legislative Relations Orange County Public Schools about tenure. His reply was, "The rules governing contract status for teacher is in the School Board / Union Contract. The language is based on state statute which provides the process and the criteria for awarding contracts. Teachers do not technically have tenure, by definition and understanding, and nowhere in Florida Statutes does the term “tenure” exist in regards to teachers. Teachers can receive an Annual Contract (AC) Continuing Contract (CC) or a Professional Services Contract (PSC)." So, it concerns me that Tracy would see tenure as a problem.

The Orange County Public School contract is posted here:

https://www.ocps.net/es/laborrelations/bargaining/Documents/CTA%20contract%2009-10%20-%20Ratified%205-7-2010.pdf

The Florida State rules for Education, including K-12, are posted here:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/Title48/#Title48

Chapter 1012, especially 1012.33 and 1012.34, cover the details. Honestly, it just defines a due process system. The administration has the option of transferring a teacher to another school. If the "lemon dance" is performed, it is simply because the administrator does not wish to follow through with the system. What a wonderful thought! Imagine this, "I am an administrator with a teacher I think is bad. I can transfer them to continue to "harm" other students but not mine, or I can do my job and see to their elimination. Hmmmm"
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
01:14 PM on 02/02/2011
Principal Paige Tracy pretty much spells out the problem:

"I don't believe in tenure. Quite honestly there are teachers - and I've had them in my experience - who should not be in the classroom teaching, but it would take an act of Congress to get removed form the classroom."

It's easy for folks to argue these issues in the abstract. This principal, however, is telling the hard truth and speaking from direct experience.

We need big changes in the way we do schooling, and we need them NOW.
06:50 PM on 02/02/2011
If that's her experience, in Florida especially, it's because she's incompetent. So the problem is very apparent, but it's not what you or she thinks it is.
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Eric Mann
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07:54 PM on 02/02/2011
If that is her experience in union-unfriendly Florida, then the problem lies with her, not the rules or laws. Of course, all you have is this one principal who thinks that WFS was all that and a bag of chips to go on, so how can one really make an informed conclusion? You have one very polarized opinion to go on. Do you usually draw your conclusions from such little evidence?
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Eric Mann
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10:37 AM on 02/02/2011
Notice how she doesn't miss an opportunity to say "those hand-tying unions."
Listen lady, I have been a teacher for 10 years, and I have seen effective administrators get rid of bad tenured teachers. If you can't do it in an anti-union state like Florida where I am SURE the tenure laws or rules are more relaxed than here in Michigan-the home of the "strong union" then it speaks more to your ability as an administrator than the fairness of tenure.

You get some things right about the problems with education follow-up not happening at home.Wish you would get your head on straight about tenure. At one time, YOU were a tenured teacher, and it is a rare case where those due process rights did not help you out somehow.
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Skeptical Patriot
03:10 AM on 02/02/2011
Hooray for Page Tracy. Direct, on target, not flinching and an advocate for the students. At the end of the day, we have measured our commitment to schools not by the results for our kids but by the amount we spend. We support the system over the students. In the past 30 years, real spending has doubled with great bulk of the new "investment" going into teacher salaries while the actual results have gotten worse. Until we have a system that prioritizes students over lifetime employment, results over willingness to reward good teachers and leave behind the poor ones, we will continue to have a 50% drop out rate and an institutionlized system of failure.
08:32 AM on 02/02/2011
I think you might want to look at where that increase in spending has really gone. Some of it has been towards inflation. Some has been toward increased program requirements to deal with exceptional students (even while other programs have been cut). Some has been toward more redundant administration above the building level. And a LOT has been toward increased testing requirements and inefficient, overlapping "competition" models.

Relatively little has trickled down to the teachers in the form of pay raises, especially over the last decade or two.
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Skeptical Patriot
12:17 PM on 02/02/2011
Actually, those are not the facts. For the past twenty years, teacher salaries have increased substantially higher than the rate of inflation. The double that I spoke of is real (inflation adjusted) cost increases. The actual cost of every instructional hour in the classroom is now approaching $100/hour of direct (not loaded) cost.

Under No Child Left Behind, the federal gov't allocated a 20% increase in its title I funding to pay for additional costs. As flawed as elements of NCLB, it has brought an awareness and focus on student performance that simply did not exist prior to the law. This is the reason, student testing has remained forefront through both Bush (with Kennedy and Miller's support) and now with Obama/Duncan. It works
09:53 PM on 02/01/2011
For those who asked my son teaches in Maine.

So sad that after all these hours, on such an important social and political situation, there are so few comments.

HP, maybe you could move these kinds of articles to the political section to facilitate more conversation.
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rsolnet
04:53 PM on 02/01/2011
Zorianna,

Here is a link to a NY Review on Waiting for Superman. Please route this to the Orlando Principal
you interviewed.

Just as Ebert retracted his review after learning more details about the W4S Documentary, perhaps,
the Orlando Public School Principal might rethink and retract some of her remarks. Thank you for your article, Zorianna.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/jan/13/myth-charter-schools/
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sawyer0413
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07:07 PM on 02/01/2011
@rsolnet

I can't find any retraction by Roger Ebert. On his website, he still has the entry as posted. It is here:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100929/REVIEWS/100929981

Also, on his website, he lists Waiting for "Superman" in his top documentaries for 2010.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/the_best_documentaries_of_2010.html#more

I see mention by blogs that he retracted his opinion in a Twitter tweet, but I cannot find mention of that officially by Roger Ebert.

I also do not know if this is what you intended, but the link you posted to nybooks.com is a story about Locke High School in Los Angeles, and is not about Waiting for "Superman". I believe the link that you want is as follows:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/

You can check that and confirm. Diane Ravitch's critique is worth reading.
03:40 PM on 02/01/2011
If Teacher's Unions are such a problem why is it that the best achieving countries in the world (Finland for example) are home to some of the strongest Teacher's Unions in the world? Riddle me that Guggenheim.
02:06 PM on 02/01/2011
Okay if this woman is can't fire bad teachers, than she can't do her job and should be fired herself. Tenure isn't there to keep a bad teacher around. It's to keep veteran teachers from being fired because the school board is trying to save money and don't want to pay their experienced staff members, it protects teachers from vindictive parents who don't like that their child got a grade they deserved, and it protects teachers from incompetent administrators who either have their favorites or are wishy-washy yes people to a dictatorial superintendent.
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nypoet22
Psychology Ph.D., Civics Teacher, Songwriter
04:12 PM on 02/01/2011
You're absolutely right; that is a huge misconception about tenure. i personally know two public school principals in florida who have had teachers fired for teaching poorly, so clearly it is something a _competent_ principal can accomplish, even without an "act of congress." Ms. Tracy clearly has an agenda, and it's not about the welfare of the students.
04:21 PM on 02/01/2011
You mention all the good things that tenure represents but none of the bad. IMO, tenure would be okay if unions were outlawed. The union wants every teacher, good and bad, to have access to all the benefits and do not care about students but just the people who pay them, i.e., the teachers, including the really bad ones.
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TFT
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04:57 PM on 02/01/2011
Unions are not human and do not have the capacity to "care" or not.

Your statement will hopefully be ignored due to its incoherence.
05:16 PM on 02/01/2011
I tried to post this earlier but it's still under review 3 hours later...besides, it applies to this thread:

If unions are the source of all evil and failure in the school system how is it that extremely high achieving countries like Finland have incredibly strong unions? Even within the US states like Massachusetts (that have strong unions) have much better scholastic success than states with weak unions like Georgia.
01:23 PM on 02/01/2011
I have a son who is in his second year of teaching high school math. The biggest, I guess, surprise for me was that the only requirement he had to achieve was passing a certification test in his degree field (math) in order to be hired as a teacher.

He has never taken one course on how to BE a teacher. In his first year he was audited once a month by administration during class time and had a mentor he met with at least weekly.

He does read books on teaching techniques but, to my knowledge, has never attended a workshop on how to teach. So in other words he is training himself.

Teachers and administrators lament the lack of valuing education by parents. I lament the lack of valuing the art of teaching by our education system, and their lack of attention to this area.

I do not understand why this is not a national standard being pursued by the teachers union.
04:26 PM on 02/01/2011
In most states, the universities teach more about how to teach and little about subject maater, resulting in English teachers who do not know basic grammar and high school math teachers who are barely competent in 3rd grade math.
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04:58 PM on 02/01/2011
Them's some broad strokes. Again, your incoherence makes taking you seriously impossible.
05:00 PM on 02/01/2011
I've taught high school math in CT and in MA public schools and your comments certainly don't apply here. Where are you from?
04:58 PM on 02/01/2011
Sounds like he got in through an alternate certification set up. This happens in subject areas that are having shortages, like math, physics, chemistry. The shortages exist because qualified people with those degrees often go to other jobs and make a lot more $. If he actually had pursued teaching, at least here in most of the northeast, he would have majored in math and then taken extra psychology and methods classes as well as a pre-practicum and then a student teaching semester. Then you pass the state test. And then, yes, you keep learning while practicing your new profession. I wish him success.